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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Response to E-verify is simply failure. Should have had all detection finders upon creation. Inefficiency on Government’s part again.

Again Mr. Dingy, you did not read my posting. No entitlements would be granted. According to this transition they would have to be individually responsible for food, clothing, shelter, health insurance. They are not taking away jobs from Americans they are taking the jobs Americans DON’T WANT. If they have to work two farming jobs or 20 hours a day in order to make these transition requirements, they will, unlike some citizens here. It sounds more like you have a distain for this group of people which is really disturbing. We are a humane society not a regime. You keep mentioning enforce this and enforce that, it cost money and needs more people, resulting in bigger Government.

Your Bastogne analogy is not comparable to this situation, I’m sorry if that is the best you got. As far as voting rights they are not citizens, they don’t vote. This why I think it is important that Republicans like Perry are getting their voices out there on this topic. Perry is not afraid to say what needs to be done. The illegals are here and they are not going back through a mass deportation so we need to deal with the problem. The small investment now will give big returns in the future. The core of the illegals are faith, family, hard working people, which goes against the heart of the libby party. Obama didn’t get in because of Hispanic voters he got in because of Independent whit e voters. Obama has dropped 12% in the Hispanic poll numbers. They seem to understand his danger more then the black and white communities.

The gardner doesn’t need a key the homeowner always leaves the door unlocked. Who would be at fault if a home repeatedly gets robbed because the doors and windows are left unlocked? I would bet your insurance company would blame you after the second time.


234 posted on 09/19/2011 8:16:48 AM PDT by jerseyrocks
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Again Mr. Dingy, you did not read my posting. No entitlements would be granted.

I did read your post, but you did not read mine. My post does not assume that you could pass your plan intact. I understand that you claim no entitlements in your plan, but I said that the reality of "immigration reform" is that your plan would not stand. Eventually, even in the unlikely event that you were able to pass your plan intact, I think you know that future congresses can change immigration policy, naturalization policy, etc., and administrations have ignore parts of laws they didn't like. To avoid these problems you would need to pass it as a Constitutional amendment.

Just look at the 1986 "immigration reform." The crooks in charge eagerly implemented the part that gave legal status to illegals, but the enforcement part? Never got around to it. How are you going to guarantee that neither mischief like this, nor congressional and/or judicial dismantling of your program, would come to pass?

It sounds more like you have a distain for this group of people which is really disturbing.

There you go with lib talking points. You did not read my post which said that they have good qualities as individuals, but they have voted to elect really despicable candidates. You really don't know what you are talking about WRT Latin America. I have been there. If you spoke the language, you could ask them how their government works.

They are not taking away jobs from Americans they are taking the jobs Americans DON’T WANT. If they have to work two farming jobs or 20 hours a day in order to make these transition requirements, they will, unlike some citizens here.

We are just going to have to disagree about this. There are some jobs that might not find enough Americans to do, for example, if you have a mortgage and a family in NJ, it might be difficult to move to Idaho to work on a farm. But are you going to tell illegals that they must work on a farm, even if they have worked in construction (when work was available) for 30 years? News flash: Adding a huge number of workers into the pool decreases the demand for workers.

I think it is almost certain that any plan like yours that goes into the "immigration reform" door will come out with work visas which allow them to work pretty much where they want, although there might be some restrictions to pander to unions.

You paint a picture of lazy Americans who don't want to work. If you are correct, both the Dems and GOP are foolish when they keep chanting "Jobs jobs jobs!" Maybe a 3rd party with the slogan "You don't need a job" will win the next election.

As far as voting rights they are not citizens, they don’t vote.

Yes, I know that is what you said, but assuming your "no voting rights" goes into the "immigration reform" door, what comes out?

The core of the illegals are faith, family, hard working people, which goes against the heart of the libby party. Obama didn’t get in because of Hispanic voters he got in because of Independent white voters.

Did you notice the demographic trends?

Obama has dropped 12% in the Hispanic poll numbers. They seem to understand his danger more then the black and white communities.

That trend is due to the economic disaster Obama owns, but I am not sure it includes illegals. Yes, I know you said they would never vote, and I say I'm sure you believe that, but I am not convinced. And remember, if they are granted voting rights, it's not just for one election in which the Dems are running the current buffoon.

The gardner doesn’t need a key the homeowner always leaves the door unlocked. Who would be at fault if a home repeatedly gets robbed because the doors and windows are left unlocked? I would bet your insurance company would blame you after the second time.

No, we have not left the "voting rights" door open since 1986, by giving the key to the gardener. Since then, Dems have received a lot of votes from the amnesty and chain migration that followed it.

If you are right about everything, we will all live happily ever after, but I think you are wrong.

235 posted on 09/19/2011 2:45:36 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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