I can tell you this much in NJ, transportation vouchers are given and used for cabs. Have you ever been in Camden City , Dingy? Well I have more often then I like to be and these cabs are lined up the MLK Blvd. to transport those on the system. We have public busses but thats not god enough, they want a private ride. As far as the occupants of the cab lets try this again. They were not Hispanic and they spoke English pretty clearly except for the occasional fudge word that will spilled out of the cab. So I would conclude that were US citizens.
E-verify is mandatory is some states, however, it is inaccurate in 54% of the cases. Not good. You keep speaking of making Government smaller. Under your plan it would cost hundreds of millions in legal fees for the taxpayers and business owners in these flawed cases. What to do with the illegals when they are caught, again taxpayers dollars to jail them, deport them or legally defend them. This problem will be so big Government will need to grow to handle the problem. The farming and agriculture sector of our Country will take a big hit and need Government assistance again costing taxpayers money. Bottom line E-verify is not working.
I can see you are a great exaggerator Mr. Dingy, don’t think this situation is in any way comparable to Bastogne. America created the problem for not fixing the lock on the door for 30 years.
Not a path to citizenship but to American society. Citizenship is something to be treasured not tramped on. What I am speaking about is for them to take steps to transition in to our society rather then be in hiding. They must speak English, know our history and laws, honor a work ethic, sign a personal responsibility promise to ensure insurance coverage. Points would be given to allow them to work up to privileges such as driving. Voting is not a privilege, it is a Constitutional right so this would not apply to them. As punishment they would not be allowed to apply for US Citizenship for 15 years from the time they register. This is in no way a perfect idea but we need some type of transition.
Again Obama has done much more damage to our Constitution then the 11 million illegals ever could. From what I have seen, the Hispanic community is one of faith, family values and a strong work ethic. I have more faith in them joining the GOP then my libby neighbor changing sides.
Let's examine this figure of 54%. E-verify works well to detect mismatches in the data submitted vs. the server data, but it does not always detect the kind of fraud in which uses counterfeit, stolen, or borrowed identity documents. That would be beyond what it can do at present.
As it is today, e-verify has no photo ID component, which would give it some anti-fraud capability. The question is whether we want to make the effort to add it.
You keep speaking of making Government smaller. Under your plan it would cost hundreds of millions in legal fees for the taxpayers and business owners in these flawed cases.
I don't know how you reach that conclusion. If my social security number has a problem, I want to know about it. I don't want anybody using my identity mistakenly or for fraud. However, if there are cases in which a legal worker cannot prove he is legal, I would not make e-verify mandatory until they fixed the problem.
Your solution is to make it legal for them to work here, with privileges to be determined. Entitlements would be a huge isssue, and I remain convinced that they would take jobs from US citizens. I have worked in the fields, and in a crew pouring and finishing cement in the hot sun. Before going to the step of issuing work visas, I think we should at least try to reduce the numbers significantly.
What to do with the illegals when they are caught, again taxpayers dollars to jail them, deport them or legally defend them.
I don't want illegal workers having a job here. Employers should make a case for guest workers, hire legal workers, or, if they can't afford to do that, move overseas. Some companies, especially such entities as construction contractors, will go underground. That's why we need to allow states to enforce immigration laws. I agree with you that we will not see an Eisenhower style mass deportation, but I think the number of illegal aliens here could be reduced via attrition, workplace enforcement, expired visa enforcement, local enforcement, stopping entitlements and Dream Acts.
I can see you are a great exaggerator Mr. Dingy, don’t think this situation is in any way comparable to Bastogne.
I think it has the potential to be worse. If we had lost at Bastogne, we would still have won the war, and America itself would not have been threatened.
However, if we had all those new voters voting for Obama clones or worse in the future, I believe that really would be the end. If I understand you, you would not push for granting them voting rights. However, I believe that keeping them from voting would be more difficult than you think:
1) Once you have a bunch of potential leftist voters here, working but not voting, that is more irresistible to Dems and RINOs than a a one trillion unspent surplus. Rogue judges and POTUSes would also like them to vote, and they have been known to try to usurp the power of congress.
2) Once you start the "immigration reform" ball rolling in congress, who knows what you will get. I think it's very likely that only amnesty would be able to get through. The best I could hope for would be that congress does nothing. That's why I want to try something we have never done before: Enforce immigration laws in good faith.
3) A giant guest worker program for illegals encourages more illegal immigration.
Again Obama has done much more damage to our Constitution then the 11 million illegals ever could.
I think that illegal immigrants have some good qualities as individuals, but letting them vote would be disastrous. If you had a kindly gardener who would let a burglar into your house, would you trust him with a house key? Or would you say, "That burglar did more evil to my family than that gardner even could?"
You saw how Hispanics voted for Obama, and that includes some conservatives and moderates who don't like him any more than we do. I am afraid that 3rd world wave of voters would make leftists electorally invincible.