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Philadelphia woman fatally mauled by pit bulls
Associated Press ^ | Sept. 1, 2011

Posted on 09/01/2011 5:54:33 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- Authorities say a Philadelphia woman found dead in her home had been fatally mauled by her own dogs.

Autopsy results were released Thursday on 50-year-old Carmen Ramos.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: chet99; dangerousbreed; doggieping; evilbreed; freechet99; gangstadogs; pitbulls; suburbanlivestock; targets
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Maybe I’ll buy my ex a couple of pit pups as a gift.


21 posted on 09/01/2011 6:27:56 PM PDT by umgud
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To: Secret Agent Man
Neighbors say the dogs were recently removed by animal welfare officers after they escaped and attacked two residents. But they say the dogs were later returned.

What sort of idiots would return dogs to the same situation from which they previously attacked people?

There is something in mature pit bulls that are not fixed

Bingo. It usually hits at about 1.5 to 2 years and the dog is out of control. Add a 20 something male owner and you have a very bad situation. I just had a confrontation with a kid in my dog park who wanted to lecture me about the breed because he was offended that I was removing my dogs from the threat that his presented. In his mind I was obligated to keep my dogs there to "play" with his intact pit, otherwise I was "racist".

One could use these circumstances to argue that the owner drives the behaviour of the dog. But there have been many quite decent folks who have lost control of pits as well as idiots like the one I encountered. When I meet a well mannered pit neutered or not who is 6 to 8 years with a verifiable record of good behavior, I am pretty comfortable with them. If they are younger than that, I do not trust them one little bit.

22 posted on 09/01/2011 6:28:51 PM PDT by lovesdogs
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To: Free ThinkerNY

It isn’t the breed. It’s the owners, other animals and small children who tempt them to be so violent!


23 posted on 09/01/2011 6:41:52 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (You know, 99.99999965% of the lawyers give all of them a bad name)
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To: Nonsense Unlimited
Thanks for your polite and gracious response. You make good points: all large dogs can be dangerous; all are "potentially dangerous" if they were raised and trained poorly.

You also say that in all your years of dog training, you've only seen a "small percentage" that are the real problem.

My point is that with the breed of pit bull, that "small percentage" increases exponentially. When you choose a dog to keep as a pet that has been historically bred to fight tenaciously, you can't sweep the risk of attack under the rug.

As for me, I would never allow a pit bull anywhere near me or my family. The risk may actually quite miniscule in the grand scheme of things, but it's a risk I CAN CONTROL AND REFUSE TO MAKE.

SIDENOTE: I'm not for banning the breed, however. There are too many loyal and loveable pit bulls that never harm anyone. But it's a Buyer's Beware market. I won't own one, and I'll never knowingly go on a hike in Grizzly bear country without a gun. :^)

All the best to you too!

24 posted on 09/01/2011 6:42:58 PM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: lovesdogs

A dog park allows an intact male? Huh?


25 posted on 09/01/2011 6:43:25 PM PDT by GnuHere
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To: GnuHere

Yep I know is sounds odd. But it is an unattended park that the police dept hates. We are so on our own there. Rules are posted but neutering is not one of them. So we have to roll with what we have.

People regularly drop dogs off that are no longer wanted via drive by and we find homes for most of them. Nothing is by the book and most is seat of the pants. We just do what needs doing.


26 posted on 09/01/2011 7:06:42 PM PDT by lovesdogs
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I love pit bulls,they make great moving targets.


27 posted on 09/01/2011 7:12:28 PM PDT by WePledge (Ich werde fur immer ein Hollenhund werden. Semper Fidelis)
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To: lovesdogs

Oh, that’s awful.
I don’t go to the one here b/c it’s way across town and I live right by a PetSmart with playday, but I think they make you get a key fob for entrance after you apply to the park service with documentation of shots and fixin’.


28 posted on 09/01/2011 7:19:27 PM PDT by GnuHere
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To: Flycatcher

... and thank you for an level headed response. It’s getting rarer these days in both dog breed discusion and politics. lol

Anyway, the size of the dog is only partially relavant to the potential damage it can do to a human. A small breed that is in a highly agressive state can easily rip apart a child, and sometimes is more of a threat because people think, “It’s just a little dog.” A crazed Chiuhuahua could easily be as much of a threat to a fmily as a 200# English Mastiff (which would probably be very little threat).

If you’ve ever whatched the Dog Whisperer, he is right on the money in almost 100% of the cases we see on the show. It’s almost always the way the dog is raised and handled by the owners.

Picking a (precieved) loving breed (like a Golden Retriever) is no protection against dog aggression if the dog is left to its own devies. It will assume the alpha role (becuase no one else does) even if it is not a particularly dominant dog. That is just the way dogs are.


29 posted on 09/01/2011 7:19:57 PM PDT by Nonsense Unlimited
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To: Free ThinkerNY

El Premio de los Darwin.


30 posted on 09/01/2011 7:21:47 PM PDT by denydenydeny (The moment you step into a world of facts, you step into a world of limits. --Chesterton)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Poor doggy!

It’s not the dog, it’s the owner.

Aim for the owner.


31 posted on 09/01/2011 7:23:30 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Obama is bad luck for the US.)
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To: lovesdogs

That sounds like one of my co-workers!What is your area?


32 posted on 09/01/2011 7:41:42 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: Nonsense Unlimited

Thanks for your balanced commentary. As has been said ANY breed can be vicious; the only two dogs that ever attacked me were a chiuaha & a 5 lb teacup poodle. If they’d had their way I’d be in pieces.


33 posted on 09/01/2011 7:56:37 PM PDT by JoyjoyfromNJ (everything written by me on FR is my personal opinion & does not represent my employer)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

On behalf of the breed, which I like very much, may I say that I wish it had been Michael Vick on the floor


34 posted on 09/01/2011 8:03:58 PM PDT by JoyjoyfromNJ (everything written by me on FR is my personal opinion & does not represent my employer)
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To: Nonsense Unlimited
You are right all dogs can be dangerous. My two mixed breed mutts adore me and I don't put up with much nonsense from them, but they walk all over my gentle wife. Despite the fact that I do really well with my little mutt ladies I know I could never handle a real strong aggressive dog like a Pit Bull.
35 posted on 09/01/2011 8:12:36 PM PDT by dog breath
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To: Tex-Con-Man
I believe it turned out the first report was false. She fell off of a ladder and, I think, split her head open and lost a lot of blood. The husband found the dogs nudging their master, trying to wake her, and misunderstood what happened.

That fairy tale still being circulated by the pit bull propagandists?

You need to find a more gullible audience.

36 posted on 09/01/2011 8:21:19 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Free ThinkerNY
The Medical Examiner's Office has ruled that a North Philadelphia woman found dead with her five pit bulls was killed by one or more of the dogs, police said.
37 posted on 09/01/2011 8:29:53 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: GnuHere

I’ve always thought dog parks were a bad idea. There is nothing to stop an agressive dog from attacking another dog or a person at these places. Dogs are not children. They sometimes like to play with other dogs, but most prefer to be with people. Often dogs are bullied or intimidated by other dogs and don’t enjoy being in groups of other dogs at all.

With the recent increase in the times that large numbers of dogs are together in doggie day care, dog parks, and boarding facilities, there may also be an increase in the number of communicable diseases in dogs. Something to think about.


38 posted on 09/01/2011 8:44:50 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: Nonsense Unlimited

“Well bred pitbulls...”

What qualifies as “well bred?” Most of the pitbulls I’ve seen were ill-bred, as inner-city, watch/fight/protection dogs...and often very mistreated, for generations.

I’m sure you’re correct, some carefully bred pits are fine....however speaking of “well bred” pits is a bit like talking about “moderate Islam”... more or less a contradiction of terms.


39 posted on 09/01/2011 8:58:33 PM PDT by AnalogReigns ((since reality is never digital...))
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To: Flycatcher

LOL


40 posted on 09/01/2011 10:01:05 PM PDT by goat granny
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