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Breaking Point: People Are Shellshocked, Extraordinarly Nervous
SHTF Plan ^ | 8-30-2011 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 08/30/2011 5:31:35 PM PDT by blam

Breaking Point: People Are Shellshocked Extraordinarly Nervous

Mac Slavo
August 30th, 2011
SHTFplan.com

Economists and analysts have said that fear is building as the possibility of another recession looms. We certainly wouldn’t disagree with the fear factor, but we maintain our position that the recession, which began in 2008, never really ended. Mainstream economists will argue, fruitlessly, that positive GDP growth over the last two years proves the recession ended, but as was pointed out in Global GDP Growth Numbers are Fictitious, the official statistics fail to account for the real rate of inflation. When you count the rise in prices across the board, we’re in recession – and we’ve been there since at least 2008.

But, for the sake of argument, we’ll humor the mainstream, and give them the “official” position, which says that fields of green shoots spread across the country in the summer of 2009, and continued to bloom throughout 2010 as the stock market came roaring back. (We won’t mention falling real estate prices, record foreclosures, rising unemployment, an expanding food stamp participation rate, destruction of personal credit and overwhelming national debt – no, we won’t mention those – just focus on stock markets and GDP, please, because we need to think like the experts.)

As experts, we would then be looking at the one and only factor that really means anything – and that’s consumption. And, according to the Washington Post, it’s this particular aspect of our economy that is now putting us on the brink of the oft feared double dip:

More than two years after the recession’s official end, people are driving their cars a year longer, holding back on jewelry and furniture, and swapping brand names for cheaper store brands at the supermarket.

More ominously, the once sturdy optimism of Americans appears to have crumbled, according to one key measure. Breaking from precedent, Americans no longer believe they will make more money next year than this year, according to the University of Michigan’s Surveys of Consumers. These expectations used to rebound after recessions; this time they didn’t.

This crisis of confidence, a departure from long-standing expectations of rising American prosperity, is spurring millions of small consumer decisions that collectively determine whether businesses should expand, and in turn whether the recovery will continue to falter.

Confidence. The whole system is built on it. And, based on recent consumer sentiment surveys, the confidence is dissipating. People are scared, they’re uncertain, and they’re responding by holding on to what little money they have left, as opposed to spending it on $10 million dollars worth of vacations like our first lady has done. This, says Moody’s chief economist Mark Zandi, is a self-fulfilling prophecy. The likely result is lower sales for businesses, more layoffs, and even less spending – a vicious economic cycle that no amount of stimulus and propaganda can reverse:

That could begin a cycle of dismal expectations and set off another downturn.

“It could be the only recession that we actually will ourselves into,” said Mark Zandi, chief economist for Moody’s Analytics.

“The trouble is people are so shellshocked and haven’t really gotten over the recession,” he said. “They’re extraordinarily nervous, and when anything goes off script even a little bit they freeze, and that’s where we are right now and why we are so close to recession.”

If recent indicators are a guide, the green shoots have now withered, and recession is already here. Economists, just as they failed to do in early 2008, simply don’t see the writing on the wall. Even Mr. Zandi doesn’t seem to get it. This has nothing to do with willing our way into recession, and everything to do with the fact that working Americans simply don’t have the means to do it. The money is gone, and many are now down to the paychecks of last resort – unemployment, social security benefits, welfare, and anything else they can scrounge up – just to survive.

We are at the breaking point.

The experts completely dropped the ball (again) and have yet to identify what is really going on here, and will not do so until they write about it in hindsight ten or twenty years from now.

That is, we are in the midst of the next Great American Depression.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: depression; economy; recession; recovery
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1 posted on 08/30/2011 5:31:41 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Richard Nixon said a recession was any time the
American people lose confidence in the future.
That seems to cover our current situation.


2 posted on 08/30/2011 5:36:52 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: blam

Breathe when you can, as much as you can. Push all the air out. Time it with your heart. Breathe in when you need it.


3 posted on 08/30/2011 5:37:28 PM PDT by allmost
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To: allmost

You’re far to kind...I should have been left to die.


4 posted on 08/30/2011 5:42:08 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam; Travis McGee
That is, we are in the midst of the next Great American Depression.

What's keeping it from looking like the last Great American Depression, or more like the next American Revolution/Civil War, is the vast amount of government hand-outs to those in need and those unwilling to help themselves.

Remove that "safety net" and you'd have SHTF.

5 posted on 08/30/2011 5:42:17 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: DTogo

Remove that “safety net” and you’d have SHTF.

Ssssssh, Obama is holding that till the election.


6 posted on 08/30/2011 5:44:20 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: DTogo
"Remove that "safety net" and you'd have SHTF. "

We'll eventually get there, it'll just take longer.

7 posted on 08/30/2011 5:45:11 PM PDT by blam
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To: DTogo

When a full 50 percent of Americans pay no tax, well...


8 posted on 08/30/2011 5:45:47 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I want a Triple A president for our Triple A country)
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To: blam
Nothing will improve until Obama is removed from office. Businesses cannot make any moves due to the uncertainties of this administration.

And he'll keep promising us that he 'gets' what's happening with the middle class as he redistributes the wealth of America.

The GDP grew 1% for the first 6 months of 2011. This growth rate is actually a 1.5% decline. It takes a 2.5% growth rate for us to stay even, when factoring in the nation's population growth.

Historic.

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It's all a crock... of Barack


9 posted on 08/30/2011 5:46:53 PM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: tet68
What's Going On With The U.S. Economy?

"The political process is broken, so the economy's going to tank. Bet on it. "

10 posted on 08/30/2011 5:48:58 PM PDT by blam
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To: tet68; blam; Eric in the Ozarks
Ssssssh, Obama is holding that till the election.

Many Americans already know:

Americans Buy a Close to 1 Million Guns in February 2011

11 posted on 08/30/2011 5:54:52 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: blam

I have no idea what post #5 was about.


12 posted on 08/30/2011 5:59:01 PM PDT by allmost
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To: BobP
Obama will NOT allow anything to increase business activity.

Choose any reason, Health, Climate, etc. The SOB is a traitor and
is doing the bidding of pure evil to kill Freedom and eventually America.

13 posted on 08/30/2011 5:59:29 PM PDT by MaxMax
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To: LibLieSlayer

Here’s what could be exactly what we were speaking about this morning concerning a breaking point that might be a watershed for the weak minded ‘independents’ finally dumping this chump.


14 posted on 08/30/2011 5:59:31 PM PDT by Track9 (Make War!!)
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To: Track9

“Here’s what could be exactly what we were speaking about this morning concerning a breaking point that might be a watershed for the weak minded ‘independents’ finally dumping this chump.”

Dumping the chump will not be enough to save this nation! We will have to roll back and undo what has been wrought.


15 posted on 08/30/2011 6:07:01 PM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: blam
The experts completely dropped the ball (again) and have yet to identify what is really going on here, and will not do so until they write about it in hindsight ten or twenty years from now.

I doubt it. Other than political fiction they still can't figure out what happened in the 1930's and 1970's. Most economists are agents of the government. They'll believe and say whatever the politicians want them to say.

16 posted on 08/30/2011 6:13:15 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: outofsalt

When he goes, watch how fast some of his signature crap gets put on the chopping block. Thousands of people in elected positions are lining up their ducks as we speak. It’s going to be a fire sale.


17 posted on 08/30/2011 6:14:42 PM PDT by Track9 (Make War!!)
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To: allmost
"I have no idea what post #5 was about. "

It's okay

Run along now.

18 posted on 08/30/2011 6:33:05 PM PDT by blam
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To: tet68
Richard Nixon said a recession was any time the American people lose confidence in the future.

A recession is when the labor market starts to favor workers, which the Federal Reserve uses as a trigger to raise interest rates to the point that the economy stops growing. It's been that way for decades. The FOMC started operations in the late 1930's. They didn't always use interest rates to manipulate the economy. At one time they used reserve requirements.

In deference to Nixon, such manipulations can cause people to lose confidence and hope.

19 posted on 08/30/2011 6:39:49 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: blam

So kind oh whatever pathetic thing you call yourself when you look in the mirror.


20 posted on 08/30/2011 6:47:40 PM PDT by allmost
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