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Perry Points to ‘Idiotic’ U.S. Rule That Doesn’t Exist
Wall St. Journal ^ | Jonathan Weisman

Posted on 08/29/2011 10:08:06 PM PDT by Tempest

For a small-government conservative on the presidential campaign stump like Texas Gov. Rick Perry, a new federal regulation forcing farmers to get commercial drivers licenses would make a perfect example of Barack Obama’s Washington run amok.

But there is no such regulation.

During his debut in Iowa Sunday night in Waterloo, then again at on Monday at the Iowa State Fair Monday, Gov. Perry brought up the phantom “obscene, crazy” regulation in Texan terms.

“If you’re a tractor driver, if you drive your tractor across a public road, you’re gonna have to have a commercial driver’s license. Now how idiotic is that?” he thundered to the fair crowd in Des Moines, with the rejoinder, “What were they thinkin’?”

Here’s what they were thinking. Earlier this year, the State of Illinois began regulating certain kinds of farmers as commercial motor vehicle drivers, a move that caused a lot of consternation in the Illinois farming community, seeing as it would require stiff new driving tests, periodic drug testing and other hurdles. The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration stepped in to clarify whether the states had the right to do what Illinois had done, and on May 31, the U.S. Department of Transportation issued a public notice asking for comment on the commercial licensing of farm equipment.

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1 posted on 08/29/2011 10:08:10 PM PDT by Tempest
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To: Tempest

Maybe he should have spoken with Pat Quinn!


2 posted on 08/29/2011 10:12:36 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Tempest

Here’s another thread on this article with the proper BARF alert: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2766457/posts

You might begin reading at post #3.

;-)


3 posted on 08/29/2011 10:13:12 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Tempest
Earlier this year, the State of Illinois began regulating certain kinds of farmers as commercial motor vehicle drivers, a move that caused a lot of consternation in the Illinois farming community, seeing as it would require stiff new driving tests, periodic drug testing and other hurdles. The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration stepped in to clarify whether the states had the right to do what Illinois had done, and on May 31, the U.S. Department of Transportation issued a public notice asking for comment on the commercial licensing of farm equipment.

Okay, so the rule did exist, then was struck down? And commenting on this as an example of a dumb rule is a major gaffe?

I guess they don't make gaffes like they used to.

4 posted on 08/29/2011 10:15:14 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: Tempest

“UNDATED (WSAU) The Wisconsin Farm Bureau Federation is arguing a federal plan to require farmers to get a commercial drivers license is over-reaching and unnecessary. That group is joining Wisconsin Agriculture Secretary Ben Brancel and more than 20 U.S. Senators in speaking out against the idea.”

http://wsau.com/news/articles/2011/aug/08/farm-bureau-opposed-to-new-drivers-license-requirements/


5 posted on 08/29/2011 10:15:20 PM PDT by horsappl
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To: Tempest

I read this is being proposed right now in Montana...


6 posted on 08/29/2011 10:16:20 PM PDT by goodnesswins
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To: Tempest

>> a new federal regulation forcing farmers to get commercial drivers licenses

This was a real, perceived threat.


7 posted on 08/29/2011 10:20:15 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been Redistributed. Here's your damn Change!)
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To: goodnesswins
It might have been the rick Perry rumor mill/hype factor. you might want to read the whole article if you get a chance.
8 posted on 08/29/2011 10:22:01 PM PDT by Tempest (Google: Rick perry bi-national healthcare)
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To: Steel Wolf

“Earlier this year, the State of Illinois began regulating certain kinds of farmers as commercial motor vehicle drivers, a move that caused a lot of consternation in the Illinois farming community, seeing as it would require stiff new driving tests, periodic drug testing and other hurdles. The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration stepped in to clarify whether the states had the right to do what Illinois had done, and on May 31, the U.S. Department of Transportation issued a public notice asking for comment on the commercial licensing of farm equipment.

Okay, so the rule did exist, then was struck down? And commenting on this as an example of a dumb rule is a major gaffe?

I guess they don’t make gaffes like they used to. “

Boy, are they ever grasping at straws! This goes right up there with “Perry owned stock in a video store chain in the mid-1990s that happened to have an adult video section”-proving I guess that he’s a hypocrite? Pervert? Something like that. The establishment (represented by the WSJ in this case) must really be afraid of this guy.


9 posted on 08/29/2011 10:22:24 PM PDT by lquist1
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To: Tempest

Tempest, You’ve been flailing away at Perry for how long now and you still have yet to land a single punch?

Pathetic.

Perry looking better and better in my eyes as Tempest’s post count goes up.


10 posted on 08/29/2011 10:22:43 PM PDT by rjeffries
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To: Tempest

You should try educating yourself. This was pushed by the Federales. They are backing off because of the outrage it created during a campaign year for Obummer. I see no evidence where it won’t be slid in somewhere at a later date.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45493


11 posted on 08/29/2011 10:22:54 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Tempest
The author is Jonathan Weisman: "Jonathan was a volunteer in the Peace Corps in the Philippines from 1988 to 1990. He graduated from Northwestern University with degrees in history and journalism in 1988 and spent a year at Sussex University in Britain studying African history and economic development."

He joined the Journal in Sept 2008 and came from the Washington Post.

The historical record is very clear here and the author is wrong and plainly guilt of yellow journalism. Samuel Dijk commented on the article with thoughtful facts at hand, something the hysterical lefties on the blog cannot do:

I think the writer of this article may have gone beyond his grasp of the issue. Max Baucus, the Democratic Senator from Montana, has also been complaining about the proposed regulations. For instance, in a press release, he stated that “The proposed guidance recommends that commercial driver’s licenses be mandatory for driving or hauling a long list of farm equipment, including horse trailers as short as 16 feet. “FMCSA also suggests doing away with the 150-mile exemption for hauling commodities. FMCSA asserts that because those commodities are likely to cross state lines at some point, trips to the grain elevator count as part of the journey and are therefore interstate commerce.” See http://baucus.senate.gov/?p=news&id=614

So, who is wrong here? Governor Perry, Senator Baucus,and Senator Tester– or the journalist who wrote this article?

The fact is that the number of new economy-destroying regulations proposed and implemented by Obama's wrecking crew is at an all-time high.

12 posted on 08/29/2011 10:23:32 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Tempest

Wow, a two week old article that was already shown to be false. You are at rock bottom.


13 posted on 08/29/2011 10:23:41 PM PDT by KingKongCobra
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To: Tempest

You know what, Tempest?

I think I’ma vote for Perry just to help make him your president.


14 posted on 08/29/2011 10:23:41 PM PDT by chris37 (representative)
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To: rjeffries

And Tempest has stormy eyes
That flash at the sound of lies
(with apologies to the author of “Windy”)


15 posted on 08/29/2011 10:25:22 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Tempest
Federal Legislation Could Force Farmers To Get a Commercial Driver’s License

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/rulemakings/notices/FMCSR-Farm-vehicles-Off-Road-Agricultural-Equipment.pdf

16 posted on 08/29/2011 10:25:42 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: Tempest

Good grief. All the farming states up north are up in arms about this new proposed regulation...my son’s father-in-law in Indiana already has their county council group committee working against the issue. How do 14 year old grandkids that help plow his fields and move equipment across the roads get a freaking CDL license?


17 posted on 08/29/2011 10:27:51 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Tempest

LOL.. I’m just visioning Tempest discovering this article and jumping out of his chair and screaming “I GOT HIM!!! HAHA WAIT TIL THEY SEE THIS”.

LOL. Too Comical. Rick Perry is a STUDDDD!


18 posted on 08/29/2011 10:30:31 PM PDT by rjeffries
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To: Tempest

Don’t you remember the farmer in Iowa asking Urkel about this proposed regulation and Urkel got to say that it was “canceled” and would not be implemented............for a while?


19 posted on 08/29/2011 10:31:29 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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To: goodnesswins

California too.

Its part of the plan to run everybody out of farming, because it will soon be impossible to do.


20 posted on 08/29/2011 10:32:17 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Tempest
You also know that Jonathan Weisman is a Obamabot Commie Pinko who worked at WaPo until the WSJ needed an inside man at the WH. Maybe it would be easier for you to get the WH talking points directly next time and avoid the middle man.
21 posted on 08/29/2011 10:32:56 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Tempest
You don't even realize that you're actually helping Perry here, do you?

Not just with this post, but you're entire Perry "schtick" is becoming a service to his campaign.

22 posted on 08/29/2011 10:37:12 PM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: AAABEST; Tempest

You’re not kidding AAABEST. I’ve been barely lukewarm to Perry so far, but everytime I open up one of Tempest threads, I’m liking him more and more because all of the charges have been B.S. so far.

The Anti-Perry crowd can’t lay a glove on him. Perry has gone up alot in my eyes the last few days (where he had been a 3rd or 4th choice for me).


23 posted on 08/29/2011 10:40:24 PM PDT by rjeffries
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To: rjeffries

Perry isn’t perfect, and seems to be more a big picture guy than a details guy (I’d trust Bachmann more to get the details right, which might mean she’d actually make more sense as a Veep doing what Cheney used to do). But in this case he was substantially on the truth.


24 posted on 08/29/2011 10:42:15 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Tempest
WTH is up with posting a two week old article as news?!? Don't clutter up FR with old junk.

You guys that hate Perry are trying WAY too hard.

Just settle down. If he is the moron you all insist he is, then it will all come out and he will not win the nomination.

25 posted on 08/29/2011 10:43:12 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Sheesh. Go away and stay away Newt.)
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To: comebacknewt

Certainly if Perry is even half as venal as some claim (and privately, I’m a little envious of the guy who reportedly donated $400K to Perry and then got the nod for $25M of state funds to his race track) that will come out in the debates if Herman Cain remains a serious force. If Perry passes the Herman Cain debate test then as far as I am concerned there is no further reason for qualms about Perry.


26 posted on 08/29/2011 10:47:19 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Tempest

The proposed rule did exist and was about to be implemented. Rush did his daily 1-minute morning update on it a few weeks ago, and the rule was mysteriously withdrawn the same day!


27 posted on 08/29/2011 11:16:35 PM PDT by rfp1234
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To: hedgetrimmer

Farming collectives can’t really happen until the workers are unionized and the kulaks are identified and driven off the land.

The govtmit will help the unions by providing the list of names for initial contact, making the process of conversion quicker and easier.

Cloward-Piven will probably provide the over-all tactics to subvert,frustrate and eventually overwhelm land owners.

FWIW


28 posted on 08/29/2011 11:24:55 PM PDT by all_mighty_dollar
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To: Tempest
I think maybe you need this.
 
Don't forget to pull real tight....
 

29 posted on 08/29/2011 11:47:39 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Gene Eric

Still is....


30 posted on 08/29/2011 11:53:47 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Tempest

So your backing BS from the left these days.... Sad.


31 posted on 08/30/2011 12:01:54 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Tempest

Thank you for this thread. I don’t have sufficient time to follow the important issues of the day.

I happened to catch something a while back about some proposed federal legislation to regulate or license farmers’ use of rural roads to transport their crops. At the time that I read about it, it had been shelved because of opposition. I considered the story little more than a footnote and went on to other more important stories.

Seeing this story, and some of the comments by our fellow FReepers, gives me insight into Perry and his campaign that may have otherwise required a lot more research on my part.

Perry’s starting to look very good to me. Thanks again for your help.


32 posted on 08/30/2011 1:03:15 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Ʋ)
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To: Tempest

THis is another time you’ve left off the date on the blog post you are posting. We already discussed this back on August 16th when it came out. It’s august 30th now.


33 posted on 08/30/2011 1:41:29 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Tempest

He referred to the requirement in the future tense. There`s nothing “phantom” about that.


34 posted on 08/30/2011 2:29:41 AM PDT by ScottinVA (As a party that gives Obama what he wants, what again is the GOP`s 2012 selling point?I wonder whatl)
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To: AAABEST

Analogy time: Tempest is to Perry as Pissant was to Palin.


35 posted on 08/30/2011 2:34:09 AM PDT by ScottinVA (As a party that gives Obama what he wants, what again is the GOP`s 2012 selling point?I wonder whatl)
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To: Tempest

Your posts are a joke. I click on them when I want something to laugh at.

It’s OK to be anti-Perry. But your fixation, regardless of facts, is just funny.


36 posted on 08/30/2011 4:01:40 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Tempest

It’s no secret that I can’t stand Perry, but unlike his supporters, when the other side has a point, I’m willing to acknowledge it (heck, I just got done arguing with a Perry supporter telling me that Islam is no threat to the West...since Perry had stepped in it on Islam)

Anyway, I was left with the same impression as Perry - the idea being that farmers would have to live like commercial drivers. So I don’t blame Perry here - but I have plenty of other issues to dispose of Perry with.


37 posted on 08/30/2011 4:33:17 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: rjeffries

Good your behaving the exact way I want you too.


38 posted on 08/30/2011 5:27:59 AM PDT by Tempest (Google: Rick perry bi-national healthcare)
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To: chris37

Why not you did it with Obama.


39 posted on 08/30/2011 5:34:05 AM PDT by Tempest (Google: Rick perry bi-national healthcare)
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To: Vendome

Yes because I’m the one creating fear by complaining about a non-existant law. Makes perfect sense...


40 posted on 08/30/2011 5:35:48 AM PDT by Tempest (Google: Rick perry bi-national healthcare)
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To: Squantos

The Wall Street Journal is the left?! Do you Perry supporter smoke crack?


41 posted on 08/30/2011 5:37:34 AM PDT by Tempest (Google: Rick perry bi-national healthcare)
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To: Tempest

Tempest, thy reign is tea pot.


42 posted on 08/30/2011 5:43:52 AM PDT by infool7 (Let us water the tree...)
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To: Tempest

The reporter is a rat leftist. If ya don’t know who is writing the crap don’t post it..

Btw....Palin or Bachman are my first choices....not Perry.

Smoke that zippy.


43 posted on 08/30/2011 5:51:18 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Tempest

OH well, since you insist on posting anti-Perry articles constantly — I might as well chum the water and get the Birthers stirred up too!!!!

PERRY/RUBIO 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


44 posted on 08/30/2011 5:52:17 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: BykrBayb
I'm sure that the Democrats will be pleased that the national party decided to put up yet another tough taking governor from Texas...

It's a brilliant strategy really. I'm sure the independent voters are going to be excited....

45 posted on 08/30/2011 5:58:55 AM PDT by Tempest (Google: Rick perry bi-national healthcare)
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To: Tempest
The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration - a federal agency - was apparently seriously considering this until it got so much blow-back it dropped the idea.

In fact, the FMCSA did not publish the notice withdrawing the request for comments on the idea until August 10, 2011, and Perry made his comments on a Sunday - August 14, 2011 - only 4 days after the publication of that withdrawal. Keeping in mind that these sorts of agency publications are routine and are generally made with little or no fanfare, it's not unreasonable that Perry would not have known about the withdrawal.

More to the point, however, is that Perry is not completely wrong - as the FMCSA notice itself states, farmers are generally subject to the federal commercial drivers license rules unless the state they're in decides to exempt them from those rules. Therefore, unless a particular state decides to exempt its farmers from the scope of the CDL rules, farmers in that state will be subject to a federal requirement that they obtain a CDL.

That's going to have really silly results for farmers who live at the border between two states if one has exempted them and the other has not.

That's a stupid idea all around, whether or not the states can exempt farmers.
46 posted on 08/30/2011 6:06:12 AM PDT by Oceander (The phrase "good enough for government work" is not meant as a compliment)
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To: commish

You obviously posses a rebellious nature. It’s not meant for you, I always thought you to be more perceptive though.


47 posted on 08/30/2011 6:13:53 AM PDT by Tempest (Google: Rick perry bi-national healthcare)
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To: Tempest

Do you really think so? What do the democrats have to say about Perry? Are they promoting him?


48 posted on 08/30/2011 6:28:39 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Ʋ)
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To: BykrBayb

I’m not sure which of the Republicans candidates the Democrats are backing...


49 posted on 08/30/2011 6:53:26 AM PDT by Tempest (Google: Rick perry bi-national healthcare)
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To: Tempest

No, I didn’t, genius, I voted for McCain.

Now get back to your OCD before Perry becomes your president.


50 posted on 08/30/2011 6:59:41 AM PDT by chris37 (representative)
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