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Posted on 08/13/2011 5:09:24 AM PDT by marktwain
Still trying to jumpstart a discussion about REALITY and mob violence.
I was 10 yards from a flash mob stabbing while being responsible for two women and eight children, 2 in strollers.
If I was armed (illegally, as it was in DC), what would be the result of:
a) Drawing a weapon and making it visible?
b) Firing a shot in the air?
c) Shooting the two closest mobbers?
d) Seeking shelter for the children and blocking access?
It is very unclear to me (having no CQB experience) whether a single man engaging a flash mob with deadly force is more likely. less likely, or no more or less likely to be killed himself or to cause injury or death to those he must protect.
I'd like to hear opinions from anyone with actual experience.
This is NOT like a deadly force confrontation with 1-3 perps. I've been robbed with a knife in Brooklyn (before Rudy), and the benefits of CCW for THAT scenario are clear to me.
This is 20+ jazzed-up street "youths", looking to hurt white people. That's a LOT worse for the defender than a scumbag with a knife.
What do you all say?
Bumping your post to read later responses.
Civil War?
stay out of crappy neighborhoods and if they come to you then treat the offenders with extreme prejudice....
Those were great, but pixillated beyond belief on my computer. Here is another one from Beirut. I think they are singing Christ is Risen. I love it, whatever they are singing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d26DSsQvFDM&feature=related
"Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death And upon those in the tombs bestowing life" Christ is risen! He is truly risen! Masieh Qam!"
I mean, singing about Jesus is Risen in Arabic in the food court of a mall in the Middle East. That takes some cultural chutzpah -- of the very best kind.
Best first choice: increase distance, leave the area. Get out of the area where the mob is occurring. Put yourself between the mob and the people you are trying to protect. Tell the people that you are protecting that they are in danger and that you all need to take defensive action.
If you cannot leave the area, get to a protected position so that you cannot be surrounded and attacked from behind. Have the people you are trying to protect behind you. Try to blend in. You might pull up a hoodie or fashion a mask if you can. The mob usually does not attack those that it sees as "in group" members. Call 911 to get on record as wanting the authorities to handle it. If you have assistance, have one of those you are trying to protect call.
A weapon gives you a tremendous advantage. If the members of the mob start coming at you, and you perceive that you are under attack, get your weapon out and make sure that they see it. Most of the time they will run away.
If they keep coming, yell at them to back off. Make it loud and authoritative. Tell them to drop the weapon, if you suspect that they might have one. It usually works. Those who may not have a weapon will be intimidated and think that you are crazy. That will likely help.
Try not to look like a victim. If they continue to advance on you after seeing your firearm and being yelled at, shooting them is likely to be justified. Most police are taught not to let them get closer than 21 feet, if they have a contact weapon. If it is a threat from multiple assailants, that makes it a deadly threat, even if there is no weapon. It is extremely rare for mobs to attack an active shooter. I have never heard of such a case. They almost certainly will run away. Prepare yourself for a legal defense.
Secure yourself and those you are trying to protect. Go back to step one and leave the area. Have your contact stay on the line with police if possible. Remember that everything said on the 911 line is recorded.
After everyone is secure, call an attorney, preferably one that you know, and have them contact the police and arrange for you to give a statement with the attorney present.
As you know, all of this is likely to happen very fast. If you have a recorder with you, have it turned on. If you have help, have one of them record the incident with phone video if you can.
I wrote to my congressman and Senators afterwards to ask for CCW reciprocity in DC. This would be an easy thing to give, well within the powers of Congress.
My congressman responded that he was a co-sponsor of national CCW reciprocity, which would cover all 50 states but not DC. This, I'm not sure Congress has the power to do.
Neither Senator answered.
Arm yourself. Good advise. The situation has been so out of hand for years that “law enforcement” can’t handle it. If they could, there would not be the drug and illegal immigration and (fill in the blank) problems we currently endure.
I myself dress in a distinctive style, at least for these days. I wear the same kind of clothing I did in the ‘50’s ande ‘60’s. Jeans, belted firmly at the waist, a simple shirt, leather oxfords. I stand out now in the crowd of slovenly dressers that populate our streets and avenues.
Awesome video! Thanks for posting it!
He is Risen!
You did very well. Thank you for sharing your experience. Freerepublic has become one of the best media in the world for discerning reality.
Bfl
And they all have beautiful voices. It’s a pleasure to hear, no matter what language it is in.
“Combine that law with CCW and defending the civilian’s right to self defense (using lethal force) and you will have no flash mobs at all.”
This past May, the South Carolina Supreme Court expanded our list of targets under the Castle Doctrine.
A local lefty prosecutor tried to send a citizen to prison for killing an unarmed thug. The supreme court reversed the conviction. Now we have settled law and a list of approved targets. It’s open season on obuma thugs in SC.
If you want the link, I’ll publish it on this thread or send you a FReep-mail.
Cheers, FRiend
Another point for SC!
Good answer. Thanks!
I’ve sent this video clip to a whole list of people today and included your translation. I know it is not Easter yet, but my church teaches that every Sunday and every Mass is Easter. Who knows where we all will be next year? So, why wait. These voices and faces send chills (the good kind) down my spine.
I wonder what kind of a response I’ll get?
I’m so glad you did this! I must have watched the clipa dozen times. I “go there” whenever I need a spiritual lift. Christ is Risen! Christos anesti! Masieh Qam!
If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.
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