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1 posted on 08/06/2011 5:53:24 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Alas, it’s all too easy to believe. The article states this Chinook-load was a backup force called in after the initial team was bogged down.

I.e. just like “Blackhawk Down” the initial surprise was lost and the backup chopper was probably hovering in one place for far too long.

Even so, it might have been a straightforward crash. I’ve read Michael Yon’s blog and some of those so-called “routine” chopper insertions sound incredibly dangerous with low-light conditions, dust and static electricity.


2 posted on 08/06/2011 5:58:14 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: Steelfish

I thought Obama said he was going to start bringing these Soldiers back in July?

I guess he left out the part about the body bags.

FUBO


3 posted on 08/06/2011 6:07:42 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: Steelfish

This is a horrible loss.


4 posted on 08/06/2011 6:07:53 PM PDT by doggieboy
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To: Steelfish

Hussein has mismanaged this war, our economy, and nearly every crisis during his internship. Why the hell does anyone support this clown? God bless our fighting men and women....I wish they had someone in charge who had a pair.


5 posted on 08/06/2011 6:14:09 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Steelfish

I would like to know why, if this was a Taliban “compound”, the commanders didn’t call for a couple of JDAMS to destroy it before putting operators in. According to the sketchy news so far, an extended firefight had already been going on. One wonders if this was a result of rules of engagement to minimize collateral damage. If so, someone at the top of the theatre command structure needs to be relieved, and an investigation needs to launched to determine who is responsible for implementing the ROE and why.


7 posted on 08/06/2011 6:18:01 PM PDT by Afterguard
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To: Steelfish

Why do Spec-Op’s men fly aircraft that can be heard approaching from 20 miles?


8 posted on 08/06/2011 6:20:17 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Steelfish

“The... force called in by another team which had run into trouble [during] a special raid... The lead team called for help and the Chinook was coming in when it was shot down.”

Kind of wondering now about the outcome of the battle. If the force called in to reinforce the group in trouble was shot down and all hands killed, what happened to the team in trouble?


17 posted on 08/06/2011 7:15:36 PM PDT by ngat
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To: Steelfish; All
This was not a ‘fighting’ chopper - it was an extraction chopper to carry troops - They were evidently sent in to get our boys out = these men were pinned down by the Taliban.

So: Question one: Was the chopper given any fighter/fire cover - or were they denied because of the murderous ROE put in by this administration - that would not allow fire power because of ANY possibility, even with NO evidence, that a civilian “might” be in the area.

Question Two:
Where did the Taliban get the fire power to take down this chopper?

Did they, as they bragged and promised, use ordinance this regime gifted to them when they ordered the pull out of our troops in No. Eastern Afghanistan - and left the Taliban great stores of weapons? (Never heard of that being done before in the annals of warfare.)

The media dutifully buried these actions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WamBeYQeRvE

and again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uj6sRlzgik&feature=fvwrel

air cover denied when needed

excerpt: “U.S. commanders, citing new rules to avoid civilian casualties, rejected repeated calls to unleash artillery rounds at attackers dug into the slopes and tree lines — despite being told repeatedly that they weren't near the village.

“We are pinned down. We are running low on ammo. We have no air. We’ve lost today,” Marine Maj. Kevin Williams, 37, said through his translator to his Afghan counterpart, responding to the latter’s repeated demands for helicopters.”
(This is far from an isolated incidence. Our KIA’s have more than tripled since this new regime put in his new ROE.)

http://webnews.ampnetmedia.com/2009/09/were-pinned-down-4-u-s-marines-die-in-afghan-ambush/

18 posted on 08/06/2011 7:17:57 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (I AM ISRAEL)
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To: topher
The Obama surge -- surge in US Combat deaths...

George W Bush believed in a surge in the campaign in Afghanistan and Iraq to get the upper hand.

Now Obama is playing the good Muslim by getting US Service Personnel killed.

Several months ago it was reported that casualties were up in Afghanistan...

Not the Lame Stream Media cares...

19 posted on 08/06/2011 7:27:01 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- are the values that time has proven them to work)
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To: Steelfish

God deliver our men from the bounds of liberalism. This makes me sick.


22 posted on 08/06/2011 7:39:17 PM PDT by rlmorel ("When marching down the same road, one doesn't need 'marching orders' to reach the same destination")
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To: Steelfish

If it were SEALs or Team 6, why would that be in the news at present? Generally, it would not be revealed for months or years, if ever at all.


27 posted on 08/06/2011 7:46:28 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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http://spectator.org/archives/2011/03/28/charlie-foxtrot-over-libya/print#

“The real warriors, one way or another, all say the same thing: spend my life if you must, but don’t waste it. A bond of trust based on that contract must exist between a president and the troops. If the president is willing to risk their lives in the absence of a compelling need to defeat a threat to America, that trust is violated.”


30 posted on 08/06/2011 8:11:12 PM PDT by tumblindice (`No one's life, liberty or property is safe while Congress is in session.' MT)
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Biting my nails and I never do this. Need names of the SEAL’s. I have many friends in certain units and a cousin in____damun, prayers up for the fallen, their families, friends, loved ones. I’m sorry to be selfish. I hope to God it’s not_________, too much death lately, I’d be crushed if he’s dead.


40 posted on 08/07/2011 3:56:30 AM PDT by Karliner ("...It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.” WC)
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To: Steelfish
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Gentlemen ....here are some thoughts that I've had over the past 24 hours ...



For starters, I've been at Free Republic since 1996 ... so I'm NOT a Troll ...

As Jackie Gleason used to say "And Away We Go ..."





1) Osama Bin Laden was (carefully stated) the most "publicly visible" War Criminal since Hitler ...


2) Osama Bin Laden and Al Quada (sp) have certainly infiltrated the continental United States ... possibly a couple of years before 9/11 ... they CERTAINLY have Assasins and Sleeper Agents here ...


3) Osama Bin Laden might have actually been "hiding" in Pakistan and then Executed-Captured by the United States military a few months back ... but who REALLY knows ?


4) "SEAL Team Six" may not even ACTUALLY exist ... except on a Pentagon Public Relations / Counterintelligence chart ...


5) If I were the POTUS I actually would have assisted the Pentagon into "fabricating" the story of SEAL Team Six ... CERTAINLY THE UNIT'S names ... and possibly even Osama Bin Laden's capture-killing ...


6) Why fabricate a ficticious military unit SEAL Team Six ?


7) To protect the ACTUAL combat fighters and their families, relatives and GRANDCHILDREN for the next fifty (50) years ... against Al Quada retaliation ...


8) And what is the BEST way to handle this entire scenario ?


9) Allegedly kill Osama Bin Laden ... BURY HIM AT SEA (?????)


10) THEN ... MURDER or pretend to murder (by tragic accident, of course) ... the ENTIRE military unit SEAL Team Six ...


11) Dead Men tell no tales ... and this is "made for Hollywood" movie special ... ala "Wag the Dog" ...


12) At a minimum, IF there was a SEAL Team Six who really did kill Osama Bin Laden ... ALL OF THEIR SECRETS are now buried with them ...


13) Moreover, their Commanding Officers, CIA-NSA contacts, Support personnel will also be DEAD soon ... and all records mysteriously disappear ...


14) Could either President Bush or Bill Clinton EVER approved such a devious and EVIL plan ?


15) No ... not even Bill Clinton ...


16) Can you say the say about U.S. President Barry Sorreto ?


17) No. He is EVIL. He is NERO in Rome. He is a traitor.


18) He is "Obama Bin Laden" (no mispelling) ... the FIRST moslem POTUS ...


19) And as Barry will whisper into Mooschelle's ears tonight in their Whitehouse Bedroom ... "May Allah be Praised" ...




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41 posted on 08/07/2011 12:37:30 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne
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