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To: Palladin

One of the things the leftists have done to undermine religion is to convince people (including some who are religious) that it is illegitimate for practitioners of one religion to believe that other religions are in some significant way false.

This is nonsense.

If you believe in a religion then you necessarily believe that others are false in those ways that they differ from yours.


157 posted on 07/17/2011 2:23:18 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam
One of the things the leftists have done to undermine religion is to convince people (including some who are religious) that it is illegitimate for practitioners of one religion to believe that other religions are in some significant way false.

This is nonsense.

If you believe in a religion then you necessarily believe that others are false in those ways that they differ from yours.

Bump to the top!!!

217 posted on 07/17/2011 3:29:51 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: rogue yam; Zionist Conspirator
One of the things the leftists have done to undermine religion is to convince people (including some who are religious) that it is illegitimate for practitioners of one religion to believe that other religions are in some significant way false.

Great point, rogue. Another bump to the top. The notion that it is illegitimate for practitioners of one religion to believe that other religions are in some significant way false is, on its face, self-refuting.

You are right. It is literally, non-sense.

In the article, Keith A. Fournier, on one hand, writes of the "promising words" in the Annex that " the mutual condemnations of former times do not apply to the Catholic and Lutheran doctrines of justification" as they are presented in the Joint Declaration between the Lutheran World Federation and the Catholic Church. Yet, a few paragraphs later he plays the victim card as if history was really just a one way street and the "mutual condemnations of former times" were not really mutual at all:

"To his credit, Joshua Green of the Atlantic footnoted this document. It is taken directly from the web site of the Lutheran Body to which Michelle Bachmann belonged for many years. She left the Church in the last year, submitting her request in writing. However, these Anti-Catholic positions were and are available to anyone who goes to that site, including Michele Bachmann. To use an old legal term, res ipse loquitor, the thing speaks for itself.

And what it says is not only repugnant to Catholics; it should be repugnant to other Christians, people of other faiths, and all people of good will. It participates in one of the oldest forms of Anti-Catholicism in America's history. It calls back to mind anti-Catholic groups such as the old "Know Nothings" in our Nation's past who drew caricatures of the Pope with horns."
[emphasis mine]

His paragraph ends there. There are no citations from Roman Catholic documents of that time period in America's history.

Aside from the incoherent nature of his victim double-standard, what is his point? After reading the article several times, the most I can gather is that there are certain forms of disagreement that are disagreeable to him and that he does not tolerate.

Cordially,

379 posted on 07/18/2011 6:46:37 AM PDT by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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