Skip to comments.Conservative group backtracks on marriage pledge slavery language
Posted on 07/09/2011 9:35:16 PM PDT by Hawk720
A social conservative Iowa group has retracted language regarding slavery from the opening of a presidential candidates' pledge, amid a growing controversy over the document that Michele Bachmann had signed and Rick Santorum committed to.
The original "marriage vow" from the Family Leader, unveiled last week, included a line at the opening of its preamble, which suggested that black children born into slavery were better off in terms of family life than African-American kids born today.
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I really hate this. If you’re going to say something like that, know you’re going to be attacked and be prepared to defend it with facts. Otherwise, don’t bother.
I am so pissed about this retraction. I have been on Facebook all day defending this clear language that DID NOT say that black children were better off under slavery. Now they retract it. Ridiculous!
Here’s the basic argument: The point is exactly the opposite of what you said, actually, because the point that the pledge is making is that slavery was a major barrier to the cohesiveness of the black family, and that with that barrier gone, black two-parent families should be able to thrive, but “sadly” (the word used in the pledge) they aren’t. In fact, over 70% of African-American babies today are born to single parents a prime sociological indicator for poverty, pathology and prison regardless of race or ethnicity.
The really sad thing is, the Left has no interest whatsoever in bettering the plight of the black family.
If they address this comment at all, they’ll know that it didn’t really say or mean what they will say it did. No, they won’t be defending blacks.
They will simply be attacking people on the right.
The Left is a very evil enterprise as a group.
Then it’s even more gutless.
Today’s dysfunctions and misplaced moralities versus yesteryear’s chattel slavery — the conditions of which varied greatly according to locale — this is not something that can be propounded in a sound bite. If they wanted to produce a lengthy discourse on it that explained all the angles possible, that would be a different story.
Bingo. This is precisely why the language was ill-conceived, and Bachmann signing the pledge (as written) was even more ill-conceived.
With one caveat. Biblically literate people would understand the concept of “being slaves to sin.” God gives insight into what that would mean. Otherwise it’s so much babble.
The truth hurts. Note: It's not an endorsement of slavery; it's a condemnation of what the War on Poverty has wrought: a war on God and life.
Yes, Virginia, some things are worse than slavery.
Bingo! While WE all understand what the group was trying to say about the breakdown of the black family, they should have simply point to the LBJ’s Great society and liberalism in what transpired today with many African American families not being together....there was NO NEED to go all the way back to slavery to glean something good from it.
Slave masters did break up original families and sometime sold the weaker family members away for stronger workers if they needed field workers.
When Daniel Patrick Moynihan wrote his report about welfare, the out of wedlock birth figures, for blacks, stood at 1/3 of the black population. Earlier, the out of wedlock birthrate for blacks, was lower.
The lack of historical knowledge, reflected in the "pledge" is appalling; to say the least! And yes, if they had brought up how truly dreadful the "WAR ON POVERTY" proved to be, that would at least have made some sense, since it was conceived and run by Dems!
One has to wonder............do those who sign political pledges actually read them before signing on ?
If America as a nation stands for anything, it's the primacy of human freedom and equality.
Chattel slavery is the utter negation of those principles, therefore it is (was) by definition the most anti-American of all possible institutions.
The present deplorable condition of so many black Americans can be reversed in any individual family simply by refusing to participate. Slavery denied that choice to individuals, and families in any meaningful sense of the term could not exist under slavery.
I agree....... while the intent of the group was to point out the breakdown of the Black family unit, their ignorance of basic historical facts makes their intentions just like the “good intentions” of the left - worthless.
Absolutely no "good" was served by the stupid "pledge", nor the signing of same. All this did was give ammunition to those who hate GOPers, Christians, and abolitionists of old.
And what was the point of it, anyway? Slavery is long gone, in this nation; however, the Dems are the ones who are still holding onto the the concept, at least, no matter how many times and in how many different ways they attempt to deny it.
It’s irony, though, that through an addiction to the support of the state, they have brought woes on themselves that are like some of the woes of antebellum slavery.
I’m hankering for Herman Cain to get on national TV and ask everyone (of all colors) do they want to keep picking cotton in chains on the Democrat plantation or do they want to be free. Oh, liberal heads would explode from coast to coast. But Cain wouldn’t be cowed.
Some slave manned plantations had more liberal (in a good sense) policies and allowed their slaves to have side businesses and to buy themselves free. Some allowed marriages and families that were preserved as a group. This was due to Christian morality, which some masters honored more than others depending on their personal convictions.
Slavery is word to be avoided at all possible costs unless its being condemned.
Which is why I will forever use the word to describe the tax burden that productive people face in this country. Forced redistribution is slavery.
The idea of pledges in the first place is the problem--not this particular part of this pledge. The whole thing is nothing but an opportunity for the Family Leader to try to remain relevant in Iowa.
This group has made so many mistakes, they deserve to fade off into obscurity. No more pledges!!
Just about a week ago, VP goes on the Mickelson show and stabs very good Republican lawmakers in the back and then rightfully got his comeuppance from a couple of those lawmakers he was stabbing.
The ironic part was that during the whole legislative session TFL had done nothing to help advance the pro-life legislation to prevent late-term abortion in Iowa and then he goes on the air and criticizes the Republicans for "lack of leadership" regarding the issue.
This whole issue of demanding candidates to sign pledges is out of hand and I'll have more respect for the next candidate who tells the next group where to stick their pledge.
We need to demand that candidates sign a pledge that they will not sign any more pledges.
The conservative group should pack it up and go home. Their sanctimony is offensive and serves no purpose than enhancing their own self esteem.
They do more harm than good. they do no good at all
From the article.
"She signed the 'candidate vow,' " campaign spokeswoman Alice Stewart said, and distanced Bachmann from the preamble language, saying, "In no uncertain terms, Congresswoman Bachmann believes that slavery was horrible and economic enslavement is also horrible."
It wasn't clear whether Bachmann had read the "slavery" language in the preamble, but Stewart later added Bachmann "stands behind the candidate vow - which makes absolutely no reference to slavery."
“This whole issue of demanding candidates to sign pledges is out of hand “
Totally agree. It sounds like what school children do on the playground.
As even the poorest peasant in India could tell you, pledges will almost certainly lead you to ruin and should be avoided.
I demand that all candidates sign my pledge that they won’t sign any pledges. If not, they will not get my support. And while they are at it, at the next debate, I want them all to “raise their hands” if they don’t believe in pledges.
AGREED— And the Democratic Party politic is all about keepin the negro on the Democratic Plantation and doing high tech lynchin’ of any uppity educated black man who attempts leave that plantation.The Only people the Democratic Party benefit are the Party bosses (just like their Communist Party mentors)
Thats fine. I just hate giving people ammo to use against me.
It was an obvious trap Bachmann wasn't smart enough to avoid.
She's a gift to Obama for sure and maybe even Romney. She's looking more like a stalking horse, a black hole for conservative votes and dollars every day.
No one takes Santorum's candidacy seriously except his kids who keep asking why he's always gone--something he mentioned in a debate.
It's yet another failure of Bachmann leadership.
It's like she'll sign anything except DeMint's very simple cut-cap-balance pledge.
I agree that she should have looked before she leaped, but at least she’s willing to take on the homosexual agenda.
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This entire episode is a case study in why conservatives (and conservatism) loses in the public forum of ideas.
1. Conservative group or person makes a controversial statement (such as the suggestion that black children enjoyed more stable “families” under slavery than in many situations today - a statement which has the ring of truth).
2. The left screams “racism”, or, what-have-you.
3. The conservative person or group goes wobbly, starts trying to “clarify” his/her/their remarks.
4. The left screams louder.
5. The conservative person or group “apologizes” and retracts his/her/their earlier remarks. The “retraction” has no bearing to the fact that the remarks are based on truth. Rather, it comes with ONE reason: to “save face” and to stop the screaming.
When are conservatives going to stand up to the screamers and say, “I said what I meant and meant what I said, I’m NOT sorry, I’m NOT going to apologize, and I’m NOT going to take back what I said, for truth is truth.” ????
Good point. I didn’t agree with Powell on a lot of things, Condoliza Rice either, but the way the Leftists went after them just because they were in a Bush administration, wow.
If you’re a black woman social worker, you’re a genius. If you’re a black Conservative, you’re an Uncle Tom.
Put a fork in Bachmann! Not because of this pledge, but because she has no character and her judgment is in question.
Bachmann put a fork in herself when she sent Rollins out to attack Gov Palin.
Once again the GOP kowtows to the Marxist. Yet we are supposed to vote for them.
Same can be said of American Catholics, they also had the power as a group to prevent the aprox 60 million abortions that have taken place.
Also Black`s/Catholics both have blood on their hands, not just for abortion, but gay marriage, having prayer and God`s Word removed from public square etc.
For full disclosure RINO WASP`s etc that have voted Democrat or for moderate Republicans etc, also have blood on their hands. Not sure if this group alone could have prevented all the death/destruction? But certainly the other 2 groups on their own could have prevented liberal Supreme Court Justices from ever having their say.
Black`s have such a rich Christian heritage, but now when they wave their arms in Church Sunday Morning saying they Love Jesus, it`s all in vain IMHO
MB has no character
A black child born today in America has less of a chance, less hope, then a black child born in America when slavery was legal.That's simply true. Simply, horribly, brutally true.
Of all the Presidential candidates we now know of, including the known possibilities, including Herman Cain, Michele Bachamnn is the one candidate who will best understand the tragic plight of the black child born in America today.
And that understanding is due to her, her husband's and family's experience in caring for and loving the many foster children they have taken in.
For the plight of a black child born in America today is worse than that of an un-adoptable orphan.
True, which it wasn’t, in this instance and just another reason why this “pledge” thing was so wrong, in so many different ways!
that may be a CYA move, but it's makes it look as though Bachmann didn't bother to read the pledge at all. This is another horrifying gaffe!
And I'm growing weary of Bachmann's feet in mouth moments, which are happening more and more often.
Though there was ALWAYS the possibility of being sold, under slavery, being beaten, and kept in total ignorance ( though some slaves were taught/found a way to learn how to read ), today it isn't necessarily someone else keeping blacks in poverty, ignorance, and "enslaved", but they, themselves! Yes, they can now vote, someone doesn't exactly "own" them, but the Dem "slave masters" have pushed so many of them into a position that is untenable;or should be! And THAT should have been the way this "pledge" was written. It wasn't and it is also historically inaccurate,as I proved up thread, in an earlier post.
I don't want to give up on Bachmann because I agree with her conservative views and her willingness to stand up to the homosexual agenda, but it's getting harder and harder to defend her against this.
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