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California's Newest Job-Killer. Internet Sales Tax Law Will Only Accelerate State's Decline
American Thinker ^ | 07/09/2011 | Gary Jason

Posted on 07/09/2011 6:33:49 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The job-killing internet sales tax law just signed by Governor Jerry Brown will only accelerate the decline of our most populous state.

Consider the facts.  Already, on the recent ranking of states on the basis of their tax climates done by the Tax Foundation, California is almost at the bottom at #49.  On the ranking of states for economic freedom done by the Mercatus Center, it stands at a risible #48.

Moreover, as business relocation consultant Joe Vranich reports, California has seen a rapidly increasing business flight.  California was averaging one "disinvestment event" (read: a business either relocating an existing facility to or deciding to open a new facility in another state) per week in 2009.  Last year it jumped to an average of 3.9 disinvestment events a week.  So far this year, this benighted state has seen that average soar to 5.4 a week.

The business exodus is so pronounced that some California state legislators -- accompanied, ironically enough, by the state's Lieutenant Governor Gavin Newsom, the ex-mayor of San Francisco -- recently visited Texas to get some clue as to why so many of California's businesses are fleeing there, as if they didn't know already.

And California's unemployment rate still hovers around 12%, one of the highest in the nation.

In the face of all this, Democrat Governor Jerry Brown and the Democrat-controlled legislature decided to enact a law that would require internet retailers such as Amazon to start collecting and forking over state sales taxes on all internet purchases by Californians.

Now, in 1992, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled (in Quill Corp v. North Dakota) that while states could compel mail-order companies (and, by probable inference, internet companies) to collect sales taxes for a state if, but only if, those companies had a physical presence -- bricks-and-mortar facilities -- within that state.

This ruling, parenthetically, makes fairly good sense.  If we view the legitimate purpose of sales taxes on businesses as being to help pay for the police and fire protection those businesses receive for their facilities, then it seems unconscionable to collect taxes from any business that has no facilities in that state.

But the unintended negative consequence then becomes obvious.  When a national internet company like Amazon has affiliates in a state, and that state imposes an internet sales tax, the logical thing for the big internet company to do is just to cease doing business with its small affiliates in that state.  The small affiliates then either have to move to another state or cut back their operations.  Either response costs jobs in the state imposing the internet sales tax.

That is precisely what Amazon did when Illinois passed such a law recently: Amazon ceased doing business with its Illinois affiliates.  And before California passed its similar law, Amazon warned it that it would do the same in the Golden State.

Even knowing all this, the wise solons in Sacramento passed the law anyway, and Governor Brown signed it.  The promise is that it will raise $317 million a year in sales tax revenue.  But does anyone believe that?  When Rhode Island passed such a law, it collected only negligible receipts.

In any case, sure enough, the day after Brown signed the law into effect, Amazon notified its 25,000 affiliates in California -- small businesses, typically sole proprietorships that sell specialty items in part through Amazon -- that it is ceasing all business with them.

Many people stand to lose jobs because of this idiotic move, but (to use Bastiat's phrase) they will be unseen.  The guy who has been selling, say, obscure DVDs for a few extra grand a year will either have to move or cut back his own purchases from local retailers.  Either way, the state loses jobs.  Oh, and that guy will now no longer be paying as much income tax to the state.  If he moves, he'll be paying none at all.

Some internet commentators have suggested that the reason why the dumb Dems passed this screwy law was to reward big donors such as Walmart and other big-box retailers.  And in truth, there is no doubt that such big-box retailers have supported internet sales taxes as a way to eliminate a perceived competitive advantage the internet companies have.  But this raises two further thoughts.

First, it is nothing short of hilariously hypocritical to hear a huge company like Walmart complain about facing unfair competition from the vastly smaller internet companies.  After all, that is precisely the complaint competitors of Walmart have made against Walmart for decades.  Looks like turnabout isn't fair play after all!  In fact, it is positively grotesque to see the mega-billionaire Walton family trying to destroy the meager incomes of some hapless sole proprietors who are only trying to sell a few items via the web.

Second, if it is Walmart's plan to "equalize the playing field" by pushing state after state to force the internet companies to collect sales taxes, then Walmart is doomed to failure.  Trying to force internet retailers to collect sales taxes will only drive them offshore, maybe to Mexico, resulting in lost jobs nationwide, and presumably lower sales in the very big-box stores that pushed for those internet sales taxes.

So whether they stand in the governor's office or the boardrooms of the big retailers, the supporters of the internet sales tax can't be anything but deeply demented.

Gary Jason is a contributing editor to LibertyUnbound.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; internettax; jerrybrown; unemployment
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1 posted on 07/09/2011 6:33:53 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

SO glad I moved to Texas in 2005. SO concerned about my family and friends that still live there and are mostly members of the dwindling legal producer class.


2 posted on 07/09/2011 6:39:44 AM PDT by L,TOWM (The Democratic Party Platform: Lies, promulgated by Liars whose only real talent is Lying.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I bought my TV from a CA retailer, and I don’t live in CA. If he had been required to collect tax from me at that moment I would not have bought it.

Shortsighted law.


3 posted on 07/09/2011 6:43:36 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The decline of liberal California is good for America.


4 posted on 07/09/2011 6:49:58 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: SeekAndFind
Some internet commentators have suggested that the reason why the dumb Dems passed this screwy law was to reward big donors such as Walmart and other big-box retailers. And in truth, there is no doubt that such big-box retailers have supported internet sales taxes as a way to eliminate a perceived competitive advantage the internet companies have.

Maybe, but Walmart Watch certainly isn't mollified.

Other primary research findings include:

**Walmart’s PAC and the Walton family continue to give overwhelmingly to the GOP.

**The primary area of increasing support for Democratic Party candidates is among conservative Democrats in the House of Representatives.

**Members of the Tea Party and Blue Dog Coalition Democrats are overrepresented in Walmart’s PAC political giving while Progressive Caucus Democrats are significantly under-represented.

**Democrats supported by Walmart were much more likely to oppose key elements of President Obama’s legislative agenda.

5 posted on 07/09/2011 6:51:20 AM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: Brilliant

RE: The decline of liberal California is good for America.

Is it good for Mexico?


6 posted on 07/09/2011 6:57:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind
Tennessee's RINO Governor and the Democrats that control the legislature are trying to push through an Internet tax. As if Memphis isn't enough a drag on the Tennessee economy.
7 posted on 07/09/2011 7:12:04 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: SeekAndFind

“RE: The decline of liberal California is good for America.
Is it good for Mexico?”

I’ve had personal experience with Mexican families living off the largesse of California welfare. Thousands of Mexicans fraudulently get welfare in California and “lease” taxpayer provided welfare apartments as a mail drop but actually take the money back to Mexico where they live. Until Californians wake up and stop this massive fraud, they’re going to go broke supporting probably 50% of the Mexican population across the border. Incidentally, the organization making all this fraud possible is ACORN.


8 posted on 07/09/2011 7:25:04 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: SeekAndFind

The problem is we aren’t paying enough taxes, the more taxes we pay the more jobs will be created. Am I and Oboma the only
people who see this logic? The more taxes we pay the better
able the government will be to bloat it’s ranks and hire more
bureaucrats. Tax and spend on government jobs solves two problems at the same time, unemployment goes down an total control of the American people will be possible and Obama wins
again. Keep voting for him and buying his BS.


9 posted on 07/09/2011 7:37:56 AM PDT by greyfox (If I were a Democrat I'd be pushing for the fairness doctrine too.)
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To: SeekAndFind
IMHO California has been a gonner for decades. They embraced the invasion from the south.

A State of Becoming

My last trip to CA was in 2006 - no more.
10 posted on 07/09/2011 7:44:40 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: I still care
Your scenario is not what the internet tax law is all about. I sell to businesses and if the goods are sent out of state, there is no sales tax. The taxes they want collected are those that are purchased by someone in California, but shipped in from out of state, or bought from companies that are actually located within California, as our intrepid legislature is saying that Amazon is by having local affiliates. However, the law is still government shooting itself in the foot.

Sales tax is not even the driving factor in the success of internet stores over “brick and mortar.” If prices were the same, ordering off the internet would not be as attractive, since you have to add in shipping to the cost in most cases. The real advantage is the internet retailer not having to pay the same costs as the guy with a "real" store. Distribution costs are less when the inventory is centralized. Rent, electricity, etc. cost much less per item and there's lower cost of labor and regulation out of state. Add in volume discounts that huge buyers like Amazon have over smaller stores and the bottom line is that a $40 item purchased down the street may only cost $25 or so online. The tax versus shipping costs are a wash, but you still save $15 bucks either way.

11 posted on 07/09/2011 8:59:25 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SeekAndFind

Socialists everywhere do the same things to drive away businesses and believe that raining taxes will somehow encourage them to stay.


12 posted on 07/09/2011 9:39:58 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I told my best friend that I was making plans to move and he tried to convince me to stay. He proposed the question: “If everyone moves out of this state, who will pay my pension?”. I do feel sorry for him and his family who planned their futures based on anticipated income. They continue to support O, for reasons beyond my comprehension.


13 posted on 07/09/2011 9:43:01 AM PDT by tweakDU
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To: tweakDU

All you conservative California business people, come to Oregon which has no sales tax. We need your voting power.


14 posted on 07/09/2011 11:42:48 AM PDT by aimhigh (True bitter clingers cling to their guns AND their bibles.)
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To: aimhigh

Yeah go to Oregon,don’t come to Nevada, we have plenty of your social service drones, thugs, gang bangers.The only thing California does for the rest of the Nation is provide more Welfare Queens,with their passel of nits. Keep them in California.


15 posted on 07/09/2011 11:50:42 AM PDT by BooBoo1000 (The Mills of the Gods grind slow, but exceedingly fine.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The sole and only goal is the total and complete destruction of the United States of America. Anyone that believes different is only deluding themselves. An individual voting for a Democrat is the today equivleny of a Jew voting for the National Socialists candidate in the 32-34 German elections. Unfortunately for them they did. Unfortunately for us here they did and still do.


16 posted on 07/09/2011 11:59:26 AM PDT by sport
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To: SeekAndFind
From my perspective, mail-order purchases have little to do with local sales tax savings. I purchase items on-line that simply aren't available in even the largest, local brick-and-mortar.

In fact, given the same purchase price, mail-order and brick-and-mortar are a shove with the rising cost of shipping about equal to the local sales taxes imposed for purchases <$100.

The big advantage is time. 3-5 days for mail-order delivery and typically 1-2 weeks for special order purchases from local merchants.

17 posted on 07/09/2011 2:48:42 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: tweakDU

RE: He proposed the question: “If everyone moves out of this state, who will pay my pension?”.

He must be a retired California government employee. I would not even ask that question to a New York (my state) out-migrant.


18 posted on 07/09/2011 6:19:36 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: L,TOWM
SO glad I moved to Texas in 2005.

July 5, 2011 "The Texas Legislature approved and sent to Gov. Rick Perry last week legislation that would require Amazon.com Inc. and other retailers with in-state subsidiaries to collect sales tax on sales to Texas residents." http://www.internetretailer.com/2011/07/05/texas-grapples-web-taxes
19 posted on 07/09/2011 6:20:21 PM PDT by fifedom
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To: rhema

Hard to imagine why WalMart and the Walton family don’t donate big time to “progressive” Democrats. After all, they spend so much time and attention on WalMart.

Same with the Koch Bros. Did you see the thread earlier today with Koch’s response to a fundraising letter they received from Patty Murray? Hilarious.


20 posted on 07/09/2011 6:53:50 PM PDT by EDINVA
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