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L.A. County's Private Property War
LA Weekly ^ | Mars Melnicoff

Posted on 06/25/2011 7:57:26 AM PDT by BwanaNdege

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To: sauropod

And Concentration Camps,AKA Cities.


61 posted on 06/25/2011 9:43:04 AM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: RightInEastLansing; marsh2; calcowgirl; AuntB; Grampa Dave; tubebender; hedgetrimmer; forester
"I want my property to appreciate in value, so I would rather live next door to the code enforcer."

That's what's referred to in the legal profession as "equitable servitude!" (Which leads to involuntary servitude, dude!!!)

62 posted on 06/25/2011 9:43:35 AM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm done being disappointed by "He/She is the only one who can win" and being embarrassed later!!!)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

“I have found that county code “enforcement” officials to be the biggest a$$holes in the county, bar none.”

The building supervisor where I worked had and understood all the building codes, so when I wanted to build my own free-standing garage he photocopied all the stuff I needed. I bought a set of universal plans good for the most stringent codes. I budgeted $12,000 for materials and then applied to the plans and permitting department (which is “self-financed”) for the approvals. First, the “engineer” insisted that I have a local company re-draw all my plans, which he agreed met code, on the forms he wanted. ($1,200) Then, he insisted I get a wind-loading analysis even though the code said I didn’t need one for an unoccupied structure. (Had to do it twice, $1,400) Eight thousand dollars later, I finally asked him why he was doing this to me. He leaned really close so I could smell his breath, arched his eyebrows and carefully enunciated each word, “Because YOU are stealing food from a contractor’s mouth.”

I had written lots of building articles for the paper, so I’d seen this guy at the monthly builder’s association dinners. I’d noticed he never paid to get in and he never paid for a drink. I counted his drinks once, 14, while I was there. I don’t think he was doing it for them. He was doing it because there was nothing I could do about. Power isn’t fun if you don’t use it. (Yes, I did complain to his boss, who was an even bigger hole.)


63 posted on 06/25/2011 9:44:04 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: RightInEastLansing
"I want my property to appreciate in value, so I would rather live next door to the code enforcer. "

How long do you intend to live in your Peoples' Republic?

I sure as heck don't want to live next to or in the same town as you.

Why not just live in your house rather than expecting it to be an investment with returns greater than inflation? Maybe you should rent and invest in income property?

64 posted on 06/25/2011 9:48:30 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Pimpin' for Perry)
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To: jackibutterfly
It is an agenda that was adopted by the UN in the early 70’s.

It is also known as “sustainable development”

It's all part of the NWO and wealth redistribution scheme of the leftist:

http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/

It really is some scary stuff.

65 posted on 06/25/2011 9:49:34 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Woah, Obama will appease Trump, but not Lakin? Thanks LSM)
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To: jackibutterfly

Opps, that should have been 90’s not 70’s


66 posted on 06/25/2011 9:51:12 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Woah, Obama will appease Trump, but not Lakin? Thanks LSM)
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To: sauropod

“We used to term things like this “rural cleansing.””

Oh, it’s been a feature of government for a long time. Google up “Shenandoah National Park Evictions” some time. Back in the depression era, the Washington Elite thought it would be neat to have a place to escape the heat nearby, so they got rid of the folks living in what is now Shenandoah National Park and made a little place just for them. They used a variety of excuses.


67 posted on 06/25/2011 9:53:46 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer; Amerigomag; NormsRevenge; Ernest_at_the_Beach; BOBTHENAILER
Then there's the PBS "Nightline" show entitled "For The Good Of All" that told the story of Ohio's Cuyahoga Valley National Recreation Area (NRA) and how all the rural homes and businesses were simply bulldozed even though "congress never intended this!"

Of course this was all justified because "The Cuyahoga River Caught On Fire," remember??? All this stuff springs out of GovernMental EnvironMentalism!!!

68 posted on 06/25/2011 10:03:28 AM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm done being disappointed by "He/She is the only one who can win" and being embarrassed later!!!)
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To: Paladin2
How long do you intend to live in your Peoples' Republic? I sure as heck don't want to live next to or in the same town as you. Why not just live in your house rather than expecting it to be an investment with returns greater than inflation? Maybe you should rent and invest in income property?

I was asked a simple binary question, and answered it. The point is that I chose to live where I live. No one forced me to buy land. I knew the rules going in. I don't understand why this concept is so hard to grasp. BTW no one said anything about expecting returns greater than inflation, I am more worried about living next to an unlicensed junk yard, thus making my property worthless.

69 posted on 06/25/2011 10:12:01 AM PDT by RightInEastLansing
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To: BwanaNdege

I just bought a house in a gated golf course community in Las Vegas with a very strict HOA. I chose this community because of the strict HOA. I could have bought in Houston, which has no zoning. The point being, is that in America you have that choice.


70 posted on 06/25/2011 10:20:34 AM PDT by RightInEastLansing
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To: RightInEastLansing
Would you want to own land next to one of the properties mentioned in the article?

Had you read the article in its entirety you would have seen the part about the teflon letters where the 'violators' had collected the signatures of their neighbors who said they did not mind, nor would they ever mind living next to the 'violators'.

I would prefer living next to them rather than living next so someone like you who only wants to control every aspect of everyone else's life.

71 posted on 06/25/2011 10:40:23 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: RightInEastLansing

What choice? You mean the freedom from bureaucratic zoning in Huston vs the land of “equitable servitude” everywhere else in the nation??? False choice!!!


72 posted on 06/25/2011 10:41:04 AM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm done being disappointed by "He/She is the only one who can win" and being embarrassed later!!!)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
For me, the bottom line is that you even have to pay it. Suppose someone from an assessors office came to your door, and handed you a tax bill for your lawnmower, or car. Or guns.

You would, no doubt, object. After all, these are your personal possessions.

Yet no one objects to paying taxes on their house and land. Are these not your personal possessions as well? And if so, why do you pay a tax on it?

How did the tax come to be? Was it decided upon with representation or without representation?

In our society, such things are decided through elections and voting. We elect people to represent us and vote on proposals as part of the legislative process and sometimes we vote on proposals directly. Being a member of our society involves a tacit agreement to abide by the outcome of a given election/vote till a following election/vote when we can try to change things. (Disclaimer: That's with all things being equal which is a factor I won't get into right now.) That includes elections/votes we didn't actually participate in because at the time we weren't living in the area affected. Sometimes we have to live with what we move into or what we are born into and later on try to change it according to our desire and ability.

As far as lawnmowers, cars and guns, some places in the USA do have personal property taxes (as opposed to real property taxes) although I don't know if those particular items are included or not.

I don't see the accuracy of the statement: "the State that owns all the land".

73 posted on 06/25/2011 10:44:10 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Great, so if “everyone” is all for it, should be no problem changing the local laws.

If I get my neighbors to sign a letter allowing me to hold dog fights on my property, would you also support this?


74 posted on 06/25/2011 10:45:11 AM PDT by RightInEastLansing
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To: RightInEastLansing
Great, so if “everyone” is all for it, should be no problem changing the local laws.

Had you read the article in its entirety, you would also have seen that once the teflon letters were sent to the county, all enforcement action stopped.

If I get my neighbors to sign a letter allowing me to hold dog fights on my property, would you also support this?

If slavery were still legal in this country, would you support it? Would you turn run-away slaves over to their owners if the law required it?

75 posted on 06/25/2011 10:50:41 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: BwanaNdege

Once again I have to point out the hypocrisy of many on this board who claim to be constructionists. You believe (as I do) that anything not chartered to the feds falls back to the people. OK, the people collectively decide on how to run their communities through a representative democracy (with state and federal constitutional protections), and now you complain?


76 posted on 06/25/2011 10:54:38 AM PDT by RightInEastLansing
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Had you read the article in its entirety, you would also have seen that once the teflon letters were sent to the county, all enforcement action stopped.

I did read the entire article, I just don't believe in the selective enforcement of law. Seems to be a slippery slope.

If slavery were still legal in this country, would you support it? Would you turn run-away slaves over to their owners if the law required it?

You have conflated support with legality. I would not support legalized slavery, and would actively advocate to revoke the constitutional amendment that theoretically authorized it, but yes I would abide by the law of the land, provided I deemed it constitutional.

77 posted on 06/25/2011 11:02:14 AM PDT by RightInEastLansing
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To: RightInEastLansing
Shipping containers are a must have if you live in the sticks.

Without one your stuff will be gone while you are off to town going to do your weekly trip.

They are darn near impossible to break into with out power tools or a gas torch.

78 posted on 06/25/2011 11:06:20 AM PDT by troy McClure
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To: RightInEastLansing

“Would you want to own land next to one of the properties mentioned in the article?”

Did you read the article? If so, may I suggest so doing, very slowly.

You either missed or rejected the datum about no neighbor complaints. Mr. A. Nonomous can be used by any Kleptocrat to justify anything.

Hint: Sell your car and buy a clue.


79 posted on 06/25/2011 11:20:56 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles, Kill the EPA!!!)
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To: RightInEastLansing

“Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds”.

;-)


80 posted on 06/25/2011 11:23:10 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles, Kill the EPA!!!)
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