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L.A. County's Private Property War
LA Weekly ^ | Mars Melnicoff

Posted on 06/25/2011 7:57:26 AM PDT by BwanaNdege

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To: troy McClure

No building, no need for building inspectors they should all been fired, but no they are now revenue agents writing tickets to generate funds for the county.


This reminds me of an interesting yet very irritating thing that happened to me when I still lived in Florida.

I had a code enforcement agent come driving down our very out of the way street and issue me a code infraction for mildew on my north wall.

So out came the pressure washer and it was gone. But I had to send them a notice that I had complied and the same agent came out and compared the wall to a picture she had taken to confirm to herself that I had complied.

And yes, I’m still ticked off about that.


41 posted on 06/25/2011 9:11:06 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: The Working Man
This appears to be removing people off of the rural countryside and into places or situations where those people can be more controlled.

I agree. I can't believe the sort of things they are doing -- also when Pelosi and others shut the water off to the farmers (Hannity actually had some good specials on this).

42 posted on 06/25/2011 9:12:21 AM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: AnAmericanAbroad; sauropod

What about the Magne Carte??? Didn’t that change some of your statement? Was John Locke totally ineffective after all???


43 posted on 06/25/2011 9:14:09 AM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm done being disappointed by "He/She is the only one who can win" and being embarrassed later!!!)
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To: RightInEastLansing

Who would YOU rather live next to? Someone who believes he has the right to do as he pleases with his own property, or a county code enforcer?


44 posted on 06/25/2011 9:14:09 AM PDT by Mountain Troll (My investment plan - Canned food and shotguns)
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To: Paladin2
Incorporation.

Care to explain how Article Six is being violated by the enforcement of building codes? This should be interesting.

45 posted on 06/25/2011 9:15:14 AM PDT by RightInEastLansing
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To: B.O. Plenty
This argument will not work, never has, never will.

Of course it will. It always has, even in WWII. We didn't try the guys who bombed Dresden with war crimes did we?

Heck, we shipped a good number of the Nazi's here to use them in our space program! Why? Because they were spoils of war and we won.

46 posted on 06/25/2011 9:15:38 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Popman
Zoning and building permits have their place in an ordered and well run society...

There is a line, which universally is over stepped by most governments...

I agree with both of those statements. I live in a small town, (Population 1,600) and I familiarized myself with the zoning laws before I ever moved here 20 years ago, for instance, I have a large corner lot, I'd like to have a 6' fence but can't. I knew that before I bought the property. 4' is the limit, so as not to obstruct the view of drivers turning on my corner. That one makes sense.

In my 20 years, here I have never run into a zoning law that aggravates me. I don't know of a single mobile home in my town, no cars in yards sitting on blocks, no tall weeds in yards etc. "Eye sores" simply aren't tolerated and yes, I realize that means someone gets to decide what an "eye sore" is.

My suggestion for anyone who doesn't agree with an area's zoning laws is, don't buy there.

We have a Mayor and town council and all meetings are open to the public, all those elected officials are responsive to the people.

Lest you think, I think this is Utopia - I live in Illinois, state government is an entirely different animal.

47 posted on 06/25/2011 9:17:59 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

“In return for you paying your property taxes like a good little citizen, they generously allow you to live on it,...”

I don’t know where you lived before you ran off to the Czech Republic or what it’s like there, but around here we get to vote on property taxes. Sometimes one side prevails in the vote, sometimes the other.

Now there may sometimes be a problem with how those who control the local government enforce or react to the outcome of the vote, but it’s not a matter the State owning all the property. It’s a matter of the citizens and neighbors voting and thereby determining what should be done.


48 posted on 06/25/2011 9:20:31 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Mountain Troll
Who would YOU rather live next to? Someone who believes he has the right to do as he pleases with his own property, or a county code enforcer?

I want my property to appreciate in value, so I would rather live next door to the code enforcer.

49 posted on 06/25/2011 9:20:43 AM PDT by RightInEastLansing
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To: Popman
But permits and zoning are good ideas....unless you don't mind your next door neighbor turning his home into a local bar and whorehouse...

The sole questions regarding zoning and codes should be (1) will it cause harm? (2)what kind of harm will it cause? (3) who will it harm?

"Because I said so" is NOT an acceptable answer.

50 posted on 06/25/2011 9:21:00 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: RightInEastLansing

Here’s what’s wrong with your argument: these people don’t HAVE neighbors like most people (someone you wave at in the next driveway as you head off to work in the morning). They own plenty of acreage so that no one is in their sightline.

There is no evidence that anyone except government is complaining about the shipping containers and crazy artwork.

You have a right not to have to consider “the neighbors” if you can buy enough land to make it possible; that’s one reason these guys end up in the desert. Pursuit of happiness and all.

And if you don’t have neighbors to offend, you should be able to whatever the hell you want on your own land, short of running a meth lab.


51 posted on 06/25/2011 9:23:17 AM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: sauropod
We used to term things like this “rural cleansing.”

I think it's called Agenda 21 now.

52 posted on 06/25/2011 9:26:35 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Woah, Obama will appease Trump, but not Lakin? Thanks LSM)
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To: JimRed
The sole questions regarding zoning and codes should be (1) will it cause harm? (2)what kind of harm will it cause? (3) who will it harm?

That's why we have ELECTED city, county officials who make those types of decisions

We don't like their decisions or they get corrupt or too big for their britches, we petition them or replace them

No man is an island to himself

53 posted on 06/25/2011 9:27:25 AM PDT by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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To: Blue Ink
Here’s what’s wrong with your argument: these people don’t HAVE neighbors like most people (someone you wave at in the next driveway as you head off to work in the morning). They own plenty of acreage so that no one is in their sightline...

Guess you missed the part in the article that pointed out that the vacant land around these eyesores is in fact under private ownership. The owners simply haven't developed their land yet. With junkyards adjacent to their properties, I see why they have chosen not to develop. BTW, from the description of their financial circumstances, I don't believe most of these people "own plenty of acreage" (not that this is relevent).

54 posted on 06/25/2011 9:31:42 AM PDT by RightInEastLansing
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To: KrisKrinkle

For me, the bottom line is that you even have to pay it. Suppose someone from an assessors office came to your door, and handed you a tax bill for your lawnmower, or car. Or guns.

You would, no doubt, object. After all, these are your personal possessions.

Yet no one objects to paying taxes on their house and land. Are these not your personal possessions as well? And if so, why do you pay a tax on it?

It’s good that in your locale, you can vote on it. But for me, you shouldn’t be having to pay it at all. As I said, it’s the State that owns all the land; thus, they can assess a yearly fee for your living on their land, though you, and others, at least have some mechanisms in place to prevent the State, or feudal lord, from acting in too usurious a manner.


55 posted on 06/25/2011 9:32:11 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: hfr

It was George Washington that sent the army. The revolutionary war was thus less about unfair taxes than WHO collected the taxes.


56 posted on 06/25/2011 9:33:00 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Blue Ink
And if you don’t have neighbors to offend, you should be able to whatever the hell you want on your own land, short of running a meth lab

Except they don't have that right, because of the rule of law. If you don't like the law, advocate to change it. Do you also believe in the Living, Breathing Constitution?

57 posted on 06/25/2011 9:34:50 AM PDT by RightInEastLansing
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To: RightInEastLansing
It's unincorporated land out in the county ~ in a desert ~ far, far from a city!

What's going on here is someone doesn't like messy countryside.

You do realize that Los Angeles County, except for a very small part, is fundamentally desert country. Unless water is pumped in from elsewhere it's just nasty, dirty, dusty, and no one can live there.

This part of the county is nasty, dirty, dusty, and there are some people who can live there ~ because they bring their own!

It's just part of the ambience folks expect in California but, like Marie Callendar's, they're ruining it ~ just utterly destroying anything that makes it worth going there to see, eat or visit.

Next thing you know they'll be banning fish tacos due to mercury content.

58 posted on 06/25/2011 9:38:44 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: oldbrowser

About 3 blocks East of Little Korea is Meth Central for LA County ~ and it’s not the Koreans doing it.


59 posted on 06/25/2011 9:41:30 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Las Vegas Ron
"I think it's called Agenda 21 now. "

Please refresh my memory - I heard something about Agenda 21 on the radio the other day, but, I can't remember what it was about. Thanks.

60 posted on 06/25/2011 9:42:38 AM PDT by jackibutterfly (The American Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.)
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