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L.A. County's Private Property War
LA Weekly ^ | Mars Melnicoff

Posted on 06/25/2011 7:57:26 AM PDT by BwanaNdege

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To: The Working Man

Just like Alexander Hamilton proved the authority of the Federal Government to collect revenues by leading an army into western Pennsylvania.


21 posted on 06/25/2011 8:35:49 AM PDT by hfr ("Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD;" Psalms 33:12)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

I’ve put up with ~30 years of fending these b0z0s off. The rules are never applied equally.


22 posted on 06/25/2011 8:37:20 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Pimpin' for Perry)
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To: RightInEastLansing
Agree, but we aren’t talking about minor violations here. Would you want to own land next to one of the properties mentioned in the article?

I took the time to read the entire article and this is about government control Most of these people don't have a "neighbor" to piss off

The government can define land on which residents have lived for years as "vacant" if their cabins, homes and mobile homes are on parcels where the land use hasn't been legally established. Some have been jailed for defying the officials in downtown Los Angeles,

"We don't just storm people's property and do things without permission," Grover says, but, he adds, "If it's 'vacant' land or 'vacant' property, then there's no expectation of privacy."

You OK with that statement

23 posted on 06/25/2011 8:37:49 AM PDT by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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To: RightInEastLansing

Many ordinances are unConstitutional. The gov’t prosecutes using the victim’s own money. Who has the personal resources to stand up to the taxation powers of the gov’t?


24 posted on 06/25/2011 8:39:10 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Pimpin' for Perry)
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To: BwanaNdege
I smell gubmint money to subsidize some democrat building a "solar farm" out there.
25 posted on 06/25/2011 8:39:21 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Scotsman will be Free
"they lie through their stinking teeth and they are bullies of the first order."

So true. I'd like to have them charged under the RICO statutes.

26 posted on 06/25/2011 8:41:10 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Pimpin' for Perry)
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To: Uncle Ike
Yup ...freedom is messy...

But permits and zoning are good ideas....unless you don't mind your next door neighbor turning his home into a local bar and whorehouse...

on second thought...

27 posted on 06/25/2011 8:41:29 AM PDT by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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To: All
Here the turned all the building inspectors into code enforcement agents because there is not any building going on.

No building, no need for building inspectors they should all been fired, but no they are now revenue agents writing tickets to generate funds for the county.

28 posted on 06/25/2011 8:42:18 AM PDT by troy McClure
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To: BwanaNdege; All

“Private property” is the greatest illusion of them all.

Even if you’ve paid off the mortgage, you’re free and clear, the truth is you really own only the personal possesions you’ve accumulated over the years or decades. You don’t own your house, and certainly not the land upon which it sits.

The State owns it.

Don’t believe that? Try not paying your property taxes one fine day, and see what happens.

Here’s the skinny. The State (I mean this in the classical meaning of the word, ie; government) owns all the property, in every square inch of the USA, either state or Federal. In return for you paying your property taxes like a good little citizen, they generously allow you to live on it, grow some veggies in the backyard, and let your kids play, and your puppy poop, in the front yard (unless you have a Homeowners Association you have to deal with). But then, when you take it into your head NOT to pay your property taxes, first you’re dragged off to court, your credit rating goes right down the toilet (and good luck getting a job thereafter in some cases), and finally, if you lose (and you most likely will), the city, or county, or state et al, seizes your home, and throws your happy keester into the street. On the bright side, you can always live in your car. Unless you’ve got a big family-then you’ll need an RV.

There’s a word for this; feudalism. You live on a piece of property allocated to you by your feudal lord, and you farm it, or whatever, in return for a yearly tribute of a certain percentage of what you’ve grown, or monetary exchange, or giving your feudal lord your pretty, nubile 17-year old daughter. You, by the way, are referred to as a “serf”.

The more things change, the more they stay the same. Or as the astute philosopher Pete Townshend once observed, “Meet the new boss - same as the old boss.”

Well, there’s my little rant for the day. Thanks for your patience, whether you agree or not.


29 posted on 06/25/2011 8:43:05 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Popman

Nothing like having a handy BATFE convenience store.


30 posted on 06/25/2011 8:43:08 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Pimpin' for Perry)
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To: BwanaNdege
When retribution comes, the people carrying out this "work" will, to the last man, say

"I was only carrying out orders...doing my job"...

This argument will not work, never has, never will.

The agents who engage in this kind of "work" would serve themselves well if they keep in mind that "I was only carrying out orders" will not do much to help them much when doing the dirty work of political commissars.

...they should "fire" themselves now if they expect mercy in the future.

31 posted on 06/25/2011 8:44:12 AM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance...)
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To: jocon307
Then, you know, don’t.

I think it all depends who was there first. If I got there first and put up a huge Ronald Reagan mural, then, as you said, newer folks can either accept the mural or move on.

And that's not a new thought. It's nothing more than an application of the "grandfathered-in" concept.

32 posted on 06/25/2011 8:44:39 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: BwanaNdege; SierraWasp; hosepipe; Grampa Dave; Carry_Okie; ancient_geezer; editor-surveyor; ...

We used to term things like this “rural cleansing.”


33 posted on 06/25/2011 8:47:35 AM PDT by sauropod (The truth shall make you free but first it will make you miserable.)
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To: BwanaNdege

My friends on the darkside tell me that this area is meth lab central for Los Angeles. That may have something to do with it.


34 posted on 06/25/2011 8:51:06 AM PDT by oldbrowser (Breitbart for a Pulitzer Prize)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

You are right.

But there are some conservatives who actually believe we have absolute real property ownership.

There is no such thing.

There are degrees of freedom.

In real estate, you are entitled to a basket of rights to property, not ownership.

The United States is an English common law country and we inherited these ideas from a feudal country.

Nobody should be shocked by this.


35 posted on 06/25/2011 8:52:40 AM PDT by radpolis (Liberals: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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To: Paladin2
Many ordinances are unConstitutional

Really? I thought the Constitution spelled out specific powers granted to the federal government, and everything else falls back to the states and the people?

36 posted on 06/25/2011 8:59:19 AM PDT by RightInEastLansing
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To: BwanaNdege

Unreal.

very engaging article.


37 posted on 06/25/2011 9:02:05 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: radpolis

Very true; we are indeed the inheitors of English Common Law, which is derived from a feudal society. So, as you said, no one should find this shocking.

My take is that feudalism never entirely disappeared. It mutated, as it were, and the State simply took over from the Crown. Queen Elizabeth II technically owns every square inch of the United Kingdom. It is literally her domain.

Here, as we have no monarch, it is the State that took the place of His or Her Majesty. Fresh actors, to be sure, but the story is essentially unchanged (OK, maybe a little plot tweaking).

And there you have it.


38 posted on 06/25/2011 9:02:15 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: troy McClure

You must be in Myrtle Beach with me! I salvaged a new cast iron tub, two new toilets, and two vanity tops for a future remodel project and had just unloaded them in my driveway. I had two building inspectors swoop into my drive like a SWAT raid demanding to know what I was going to do with the stuff. I told them that they were going to sit right in the middle of my drive for six months. There has been a code inspector driving by just about every day since looking at my property(which is kept up).

I recently acquired a 100 year old cypress outhouse complete with a half moon in the door that I want to set up in the front yard with a permit attached.


39 posted on 06/25/2011 9:03:25 AM PDT by Big_Harry ( Starve the Beast!)
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To: RightInEastLansing

Incorporation.


40 posted on 06/25/2011 9:07:38 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Pimpin' for Perry)
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