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Anybody who knows Holland or the rest of West Michigan knows how asinine this is -- West Michigan is **NOT** a liberal community. However, the article's comments section is filled with pro-homosexual rhetoric which doesn't in any way reflect the majority of the community, and I suspect this article got posted on left-leaning websites to "drum up" a perception of support for homosexuals.

Let's see if some Freepers who support family values would like to chime in.

In response to Humblegunner and his friends about the reasons for excerpting: I definitely have no ownership stake in the Grand Rapids Press, but I know too many people who work there, and I'm not going to post a full-text article from that newspaper even if it's allowed, since I risk getting personally attacked with accusations of copyright violations. I don't think I'd be sued, but I'd probably have a lot of people sending me nastygrams telling me I ought to know better and might easily get attacked publicly for posting the full text.

If somebody else wants to post full text of this article, that's up to them, but I won't do it myself. The excerpt is more than adequate to give the flavor of the article under the "fair comment" doctrine.

1 posted on 06/23/2011 1:41:36 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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It seems like just yesterday Holland was basking in the glow of being named one of the happiest places in the nation

Maybe somebody said they were one of the gayest places in the nation, and it was misconstrued.

On the other hand, with unemployment so bad in Michigan, are we really to believe that people are going to stay unemployed out of a fit of pique because of some "intolerant" comments about 2% of the population?

2 posted on 06/23/2011 1:45:23 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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isn’t it a form of bigotry to suggest that the “creative class” will stay away from Holland Michigan if we don’t have this ordinance passed???????


3 posted on 06/23/2011 1:48:57 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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Here's my own comment on the Grand Rapids Press story. For those who don't know West Michigan (I was born there and lived about half of my adult life in that part of the state), the community of Saugatuck is a very gay-friendly lakeshore resort area not far outside of Holland which attracts homosexuals from all over the area and even from other states. It's basically the Sodom and Gomorrah of West Michigan. There's absolutely no reason for Holland to pass a gay rights ordinance since anybody who felt “discriminated against” could easily move to Saugatuck.

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To even have this discussion in Holland is crazy. It's going to antagonize people and companies who may want to move where there is a conservative family-friendly environment without doing anything to make Holland anywhere near as homosexual-friendly as other nearby small communities like Saugatuck. To put this on Holland's agenda does very little to “help” homosexuals if it passes; they have plenty of nearby places they could live if they were afraid of discrimination. On the other hand, if it fails, it makes the conservative majority in the community look bad. In other words, “flip a coin: heads I win, tails you lose.”

Is that maybe the real agenda?

Also, what would this ordinance really do? Some are pointing out that landlords and employers can discriminate against them based on their sexual practices. What ordinances banning such “discrimination” against homosexuals actually do is restrict the rights of employers to hire who they want. Why on earth does a business like Herman Miller want even more government-imposed restrictions?

If Herman Miller is so concerned about attracting “young talent,” then make clear to prospective employees that they offer “domestic partner” insurance benefits, and advertise that widely in the general media as well as taking out ads in publications targeted toward the homosexual community. That makes crystal clear that the company is friendly to homosexuals by not only putting its money where its mouth is but also making very clear to everybody they they don't fit any preconceived stereotype someone might have about Holland and West Michigan.

If that's not enough, then move to San Francisco, or at least Saugatuck, and stop trying to impose your values on the majority who disagree. Why be where you're not wanted?

4 posted on 06/23/2011 1:49:08 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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And as there could actually be upwards of a DOZEN faggots in Holland, I don’t see how the country can possibly SURVIVE the ruling!!!!!


5 posted on 06/23/2011 1:52:01 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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The gay and lesbian crowd are the biggest bunch of sissies and cry babies, pouting because they can’t wankify the entire world. Crap, they are only 2% of the population. Go terrorize somewhere else.

That didn’t accomplish anything but I feel better. I swear to G-d, I wish these folks would just shut the hell up.


6 posted on 06/23/2011 1:53:16 PM PDT by JusPasenThru (HEY UNION MEMBER: INVEST IN YOUR OWN DAMN INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A CHANGE!)
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especially among the coveted creative class

This is a huge fraud.

Gay people are just like the rest of us. They aren't any more "anything" than anyone else (except for being queer, of course).

8 posted on 06/23/2011 1:56:01 PM PDT by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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Boycotting Holland won’t mean much.

When I was a kid we used to go over that way and pick a truckload of various fruits and veggies every fall.


10 posted on 06/23/2011 1:57:38 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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Many places are rejecting these ordinances. To paint one town as having a problem because they did so is ridiculous.

The laws will do nothing but cause more trouble and expenses for businesses.


11 posted on 06/23/2011 2:01:08 PM PDT by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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During the debate over amending the GA constitution to ban same-sex marriage, the Atlanta media was filled with stories claiming that passage of the amendment would bring creative life to an end in the Peach state.
People would leave the state in droves, companies would not be able to hire the talent needed to compete, and the economy of the state would stagnate.
Well, the amendment passed, and none of those dire predictions ever came to pass.
13 posted on 06/23/2011 2:01:58 PM PDT by quadrant (1o)
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because they would not give special rights to a BEHAVIOR?

this article is BS.

if anything this is GOOD for business.


18 posted on 06/23/2011 2:08:25 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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Being perceived as intolerant could hurt local companies’ efforts to recruit workers, especially among the coveted creative class and those in their 20s.

Honestly, how many Fashion designers, Hair Dressers, and Interior Decorators does a small town (pop 263K) like Holland need?

21 posted on 06/23/2011 2:15:20 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President. How else could he beat Hillary?)
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West Michigan is **NOT** a liberal community.

Dutch Reform are known for their "Libertine" life styles!/sarc

I had a friend who went to Hope College, which was a long way from East-side Detroit.

I visited him and his fraternity required a coat and tie to enter!

I felt like I was back in Catholic school! LOL

23 posted on 06/23/2011 2:22:07 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President. How else could he beat Hillary?)
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I would bet that you’re spot on. There will be ZERO repercussions because of this. For every pud puffer who is offended by Holland’s stance, there are a dozen who will wholeheartedly support it ... with their dollars, if need be.


24 posted on 06/23/2011 2:22:33 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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On the plus side, they acquitted Geert Wilders.

/I kid, though he was acquitted today.


25 posted on 06/23/2011 2:24:16 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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Better call...


26 posted on 06/23/2011 2:24:29 PM PDT by The Iceman Cometh (I'm called a 'teabagger'? Well, get over here liberal and I'll show you what that means.)
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I guess Bawney Fwank won’t be retiring in Holland, MI.


28 posted on 06/23/2011 2:31:19 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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Any vital talents that only gays could bring are probably talents this city doesn’t want.


30 posted on 06/23/2011 2:45:13 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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Holland is about 20 miles southeast of Grand Rapids, Michigan. Grand Rapids hosts the largest office unit of the fairly Conservative Reformed Church in America (RCA). They have a college, Hope College, in Holland as well. They have other U.S. offices, including a HQ in New York, but the Michigan office is their largest.


31 posted on 06/23/2011 3:04:40 PM PDT by Wuli
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Holland's anti-gay vote could hurt efforts to attract and retain talent

Only cetain types of "talent".

Even though homosexuals are only a small percentage of the population, many are in positions where they can, and do, use their power or influence to promote the homosexual agenda.

Such as government and education.

And of course, the media.


32 posted on 06/23/2011 3:05:47 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The more effeminate & debauched the people are, the more they are fitted for a tyranical government.)
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I thought this was about The Netherlands.
36 posted on 06/23/2011 8:07:58 PM PDT by Perdogg (0bama got 0sama?? Really, was 0sama on the golf course?)
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