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US Is in Even Worse Shape Financially Than Greece: Gross
CNBC ^ | 13 Jun 2011 | Jeff Cox

Posted on 06/13/2011 8:32:58 AM PDT by george76

When adding in all of the money owed to cover future liabilities in entitlement programs the US is actually in worse financial shape than Greece and other debt-laden European countries...

Much of the public focus is on the nation's public debt, which is $14.3 trillion. But that doesn't include money guaranteed for Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security...

The government also is on the hook for other debts such as the programs related to the bailout of the financial system following the crisis of 2008 and 2009, government figures show.

Taken together, Gross puts the total at "nearly $100 trillion

(Excerpt) Read more at cnbc.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: billgross; debt; default; economy; greece; gross; qe3; useconomy; zimbabweherewecome
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1 posted on 06/13/2011 8:33:01 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76

The Federal government has committed High Treason.

And it still is.


2 posted on 06/13/2011 8:35:25 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Public employee unions are the barbarian hordes of our time.)
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To: george76
Summer of Recovery Part II.


3 posted on 06/13/2011 8:37:22 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: george76

Doesn’t matter.

We are still the house....

/s


4 posted on 06/13/2011 8:39:13 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: george76
It's all coming down. All of it.

Personally, I would support a politician who seems focused on picking up the pieces and re-building our society from the ground up. The politicians who seem focused on "fixing" things and "slowing the decline" seem to me to be missing the big picture. It's already too late.

5 posted on 06/13/2011 8:39:53 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Yep...this is all intentional.


6 posted on 06/13/2011 8:45:17 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: george76

He buddy can you spare a drachma?
7 posted on 06/13/2011 8:45:17 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: george76

If you add in future liabilities, you have to add in future tax income. To do otherwise would be like looking at all your potential bills for food, and not counting your expectation that you would be able to work to pay them.

Of course Congress could change the SS/medicare/medicaid liability tomorrow, by legislation, and darned well should.

They could also change the tax rates tomorrow, and shouldn’t raise them.


8 posted on 06/13/2011 8:45:33 AM PDT by donmeaker ("To every simple question, there is a neat, simple answer, that is dead wrong." Mark Twain)
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To: george76

Greece is small enough to be bailed out. We aren’t.


9 posted on 06/13/2011 8:48:21 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Nearly half of US households escape fed income tax

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Nearly-half-of-US-households-apf-1105567323.html?x=0&.v=1

The VAT is going to take care of all this.

It worked so well for Greece!


10 posted on 06/13/2011 8:57:01 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: george76
Let's put some of these numbers in perspective:

$100 trillion total liabilities
= $320,000 per person (including illegals)
= $32,000 per person per year for 10 years

9.1% unemployment (does not include under-employment)
==> 115 months to get to 5% unemployment (adding 54,000 jobs per month - last month's number)
==> 25 months to get to 5% unemployment (adding 250,000 jobs per month)
Note: these figures do not account for those becoming eligible for employment)

Bottom line: regardless of what the president tells us, our debt is unsustainable and the recession is here for awhile!

11 posted on 06/13/2011 8:59:03 AM PDT by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

In the long run, Greece will not be bailed out. The EU is throwing money down a rat hole. Greece’s only viable alternative is to default and get out from under the Euro and go back to its own currency.


12 posted on 06/13/2011 9:12:07 AM PDT by kabar
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To: george76

Folks, if you blur on the “trillion” magnitude, keep in mind that the $100T obligation is $1,200,000 for every family of 4 Americans.

Your family owns that debt, on top of your own, and that of your state and municipality.

Default or the inflationary equivalent is inevitable.


13 posted on 06/13/2011 9:36:42 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (End the "Fiscal Fiasco" in 2012!)
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To: donmeaker

If you add in future liabilities, you have to add in future tax income.


They do. Those are the UNFUNDED liabilities. Medicare expenses in excess of revenues, for instance.


14 posted on 06/13/2011 9:39:33 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (End the "Fiscal Fiasco" in 2012!)
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To: george76
Greese has:

The US has...

Helen of Thomas!

15 posted on 06/13/2011 9:56:06 AM PDT by Young Werther ("Quae cum ita sunt" Since these things are so!)
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To: george76
I just went to find the CNBC article stating Obama offered Greece money (while we are worse off) and saw the media matters government sponsored Soro's trash claiming it was false. I forgot that they did a pledge to counter anything negative on Obama. Good thing no one reads their crap and knows it is partisan garbage.

Here is the article. How can fightthesmears/mediamatters deny it?

http://www.cnbc.com/id/43321461

16 posted on 06/13/2011 12:38:37 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: george76

Yes. Mr. Gross is right. Here are some other interesting numbers. See the USA at the bottom, with the largest negative balance (2010 est., worse by now).

CIA World Factbook
Country Comparison: Current Account Balance
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2187rank.html


17 posted on 06/13/2011 1:15:33 PM PDT by familyop (Shut up, and eat your brains!)
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To: george76

From that report:

180 Greece $ -17,100,000,000 2010 est.

191 United States $ -561,000,000,000 2010 est.


18 posted on 06/13/2011 1:18:25 PM PDT by familyop (Shut up, and eat your brains!)
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To: george76

Greece’s real problems isn’t its debt load,it is why it is in such debt in the first place.It is a stagnant,violent society that just cannot survive the way it is right now.

Structurally the US is in a much better shape to eventually work things out.Morally speaking,Greece is about as bankrupt as you could possibly get.

A socialist government that envisages its people becoming self-sufficient and still providing the capital for State employees to live well,while surviving on less then nothing,is just trying for a repeat of North Korea.

It will continue to breakdown and shatter.


19 posted on 06/13/2011 2:32:04 PM PDT by Del Rapier
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To: george76

Greece’s real problems isn’t its debt load,it is why it is in such debt in the first place.It is a stagnant,violent society that just cannot survive the way it is right now.

Structurally the US is in a much better shape to eventually work things out.Morally speaking,Greece is about as bankrupt as you could possibly get.

A socialist government that envisages its people becoming self-sufficient and still providing the capital for State employees to live well,while surviving on less then nothing,is just trying for a repeat of North Korea.

It will continue to breakdown and shatter.


20 posted on 06/13/2011 2:32:04 PM PDT by Del Rapier
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