Posted on 06/01/2011 6:18:44 AM PDT by marktwain
Keystone Kops playing Storm Troopers.
I don't necessarily buy the idea that the wife saw her husband with a rifle before he was killed, if you look at the context where it is claimed she said that, there were other statements that prevent one from determining that’s just what she was saying.
The slimy lawyer's attempt to smear the guy “a piece of a law enforcement uniform” shows he thinks if he can manufacture enough stink that people will lose attention. Now they are telling us because once he was arrested but not charged, that's more evidence he was supposedly involved in illegal activity.
There are many other holes and problems with the police story.
Police/SWAT home invasions are about stealing money and property from the peasants for the police department.
thank you, for finding this article, and posting it.
i’ve been following this from the very beginning,
yet there were many things here, i had not heard before.
...and the 7 seconds from knock to kick, is not was reported elsewhere, but i would trust the author here.
and the point about the contrast between the bright sunlight, and the relative darkness of the interior of the house... there is no way they could have seen that he was pointing a rifle at him.
(aside from the fact, that the wife says he only had a “small gun”, the pistol, and she only saw the “big gun” when SWAT placed it next to her husband.)
This stuff has to stop. It has to be cleaned up. And there IS a way to do it.
Return to local control under the county sheriff, and elect one that isn’t corrupt, and kick out those who are, like Dupnik.
If you can’t get a corrupt sheriff kicked out of your county, you just might have to move. The good people will move out and the corrupt will move in until the whole county collapses.
I’m in total agreement. 2-3 uniforms could have knocked on the door and said “We have a search warrant for your home” It would likely have been no big deal and nobody would have gotten hurt. They had to know there was only 1 man, 1 woman and 1 child.
We had the DEA watching the house next door for months. Finally one Day 5 cop cars pulled yp and they went up to the front door and the next thing you know they were all over searching the place. No problems. I guess they didn’t find anything siginificant because nobody got taken away.
This escalating use of SWAT teams and no knock warrants is disturbing and my belief is that its practice for martial law and door to door gun confiscation.
waiting for someone to justify the war on drugs in 3....2....1...
That is pretty much my assessment as well. I am holding off judgment on the warrant, but the fact that they have sealed it is indication that it is dubious.
This analysis proves my assertion that as America races to become a third world nation our SWAT teams are turning into death squads for the masses.
Good post.
At FR, we post the whole thing if at all possible. Stuff has a way of disappearing on the internet.
I have zero experience with this type of stuff. I spent my years in the military doing logistics and aircraft maintenance. I have been in some stressful situations, though, and I cannot imagine playing music during them.
“They didn’t pick up Guerena on his way to or from his 12 hour copper mine shifts because they don’t get to seize any loot that way.”
You hit the mark with that comment. Lets not forget the boys get to play with the toys aspect. This is similar to the Branch Davidian raid by ATF, Koresh could have been taken any time they wanted without the fight. They wanted the fight.
A comment from below the article:
“Ex-LEO here, and one who served a full career from 1973 through 2003, encompassing the old “hat Squad” days to the present tactics.
Without going into a lengthy history, here’s what needs to be done. Anytime more than four officers go to a scene where they are going to use dynamic entry, and weapons other than sidearms are carried, the legal standard should REQUIRE a firm plan for force projection, and a complete AAR done IMMEDIATELY afterwards to detail how the plan was used, what force was used, etc.
If the PeeDees knew that EVERY time they used a SWAT dynamic entry, their ENTIRE deployment, from request through mop-up, was going to be a matter of IMMEDIATE public release, then I’m betting that SWAT wouldn’t be used one tenth as much as it is now.
For the record, in the Portland OR metro area, there are more SWAT call-outs in a normal week than there used to be in an entire year.
The police are NOT the military. They all ought to lose the Tommy Tactical uniforms with black-out insignia and go back to their traditional uniforms, their traditional car paint schemes, etc.
Any Officer or Deputy who wants to be Tommy Tactical should be given forms to apply for a Military Leave of Absence, and directed to the nearest recruiting station.
BTW, when I first swore in, the idea was “protect and serve, even if you had to lay down your life doing it” Today’s idea is “whatever you do, you go home to Mama when the shift is over” That incomprehensible change is what has driven all this SWAT over-use and most of the rest of the Tommy Tactical crap, because the public must never be allowed to get the idea that the cops won’t ever CONFRONT a danger situation with the odds not on their side.
BTW2, the usual way to serve a dangerous warrant in 1973 was one or two detectives, and MAYBE one patrol officer. We used our BRAINS to get the better of the bad guys then, not our boots and machine-guns.
Posted by: Rivrdog at May 31, 2011 04:41 PM”
freejohn, you obviously have not met humblegunner and the blog squad. If it is a blog and not posted as whole article the blast the poster.
What would you think of requiring helmet cams on every SWAT deployment, and making those videos public? I think that in this digital age, that is where we are heading.
Frustrating read - an opinion based on the unnecessary, idiotic circumstances of that Marine’s death, not the length of the article. Thank you for posting the whole shebang, marktwain.
It must be amusing to get schooled on FR netiquette by a noob who’s too lazy to scroll past a long article, yet too stoopit to maintain silence regarding same.
The lawyer for the SWAT team, admits that IF he had just let them into the house he would NOT have been arrested!
Hello?? At what point did he have time to let them into the house?
Except that one of the purposes of this site is, whenever possible, to archive articles in their entirety for posterity.
The reason is that news articles have been known to be altered or deleted from the source web sites.
Thanks for the post - a clear and thoughtful explanation. And no, it’s not too long.
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