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What Does the SWAT Marine Data Dump Prove? (More details about the raid)
Reason Magazine ^ | 05/28/2011 | Tim Cavanaugh

Posted on 05/28/2011 2:51:53 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour

As Mike Riggs noted earlier, helmetcam footage of the Pima County, Arizona, Sheriff's Department SWAT raid that killed 26-year-old Marine Iraq veteran Jose Guerena has been released.

The footage is part of a larger release that includes a debriefing [pdf] with Sgt. Bob Krygier, the primary supervisor per se during the operation; audio of the 911 call made by widow Vanessa Guerena (the only adult proximate witness to the slaying not affiliated with Arizona law enforcement); and a transcript [pdf] of Vanessa Guerena's interrogation shortly after Jose Guerena's death.

Those links come from Fernanda Echávarri's excellent coverage in the Arizona Daily Star, which contains this handy summation of what's new in the data dump:

The reports state Jose Guerena; his brother, Alejandro; and Jose Celaya were named as suspects in briefings given to officers before the search warrants were served. Many of the officers' reports refer to the sheriff's long-term drug investigation as the reason for the search warrants.

Reports show about $100,000 in cash, marijuana and firearms were seized that morning from the four homes that were searched.

Items found in Jose Guerena's house included: a Colt .38-caliber handgun, paperwork, tax returns, insurance papers, bank statements and a bank card, reports showed.

Another report said detectives found body armor in a hallway closet and a U.S. Border Patrol hat in the garage.

Some search warrant documents remained sealed and were not released Thursday.

Having beaten the drum for more documentation and less innuendo about the four-house raid that resulted in one death and no arrests, I briefly turn my frown upside down for this new information, which supports some key details about Guerena's death.

Krygier's version of events explains why the elite public safety unit failed to allow Guerena any medical assistance for more than an hour after shooting him 60 22 times. They were waiting for a camera-enabled robot to film and probe Guerena's lifeless body. During this delay, Guerena's four-year-old son, who as the SWAT team knew was hiding in a bedroom, left his hiding place, walked out through a home Krygier describes as being splattered with Guerena’s blood, brain matter and bone fragments, and delivered himself to the police through the breached front door.

Krygier's debriefing took place just under an hour after Vanessa Guerena's interrogation, but it is not clear whether he had heard Vanessa Guerena’s comments before making his own claims. There are eight “Unidentified Males” listed among the 13 interrogators in the transcript of Guerena’s interview (which took place about 90 minutes after the attack), but there’s no way to know whether Krygier was one of them. It is striking that in his debriefing Krygier claims he pleaded with Guerena, while calling her “Vanessa,” during her 911 call. If there’s evidence that he was on the call with her at all, let alone long enough to get on a first-name basis, I have not discovered it. It may be in there somewhere.

Vanessa Guerena’s 911 call and interrogation transcript support an important claim made by the police: Jose Guerena did pick up a weapon when the raid began. Vanessa Guerena identified the rifle as an AK-47 while Krygier said it was an AR-15, but there does not seem to be reasonable doubt that Guerena was holding a weapon when he was killed. (Krygier also refers to having seen but not retrieved another AR-15 between the mattress and frame of Guerena’s bed.)

Also worth highlighting: ABC News points out that no drugs were found at Guerena’s house. The new statements somewhat narrow the gap between two allegations about Guerena: that he was part of a drug ring and part of a home invasion ring. Krygier describes the imagined syndicate as a “rip crew, uh, to steal other people’s marijuana and perform home invasions,” which sounds like pretty high-labor, low-return moonlighting for a guy who was already working 12-hour shifts at a mine.

Radley Balko records an unsubstantiated allegation from Mike Storie, the attorney for the five shooters:

In an email to me this morning, Mike Storie, the union lawyer, alleges that Jose Guerena had been previously arrested in Pima County, along with several others, and that “drugs and weapons were found.” He writes that Guerena was never charged because he “flipped on a higher-up.” An online records search doesn’t turn up any criminal history for Guerena, but I’m not sure that sort of search would turn up an arrest that never resulted in a charge.

For pro-SWAT coverage, look to local KGUN TV newsman Joel Waldman.

Guerena’s family attorney says he is still seeking information and will not make any comment.

Update: Echávarri has several clarifications on scuttlebutt that has been reported here and elsewhere:

Seizure results from the four houses:

The raid netted drugs, large amounts of cash, bulletproof vests, about 30 cellphones and a stolen vehicle, records show, but no arrests have been made.

Downward revision on shots that connected with the target from 60 to 22. Sheriff's claim that SWAT discharged 71 rounds overall is unchanged:

It was initially reported that Jose Guerena was shot 60 times by five SWAT officers who fired 71 rounds in less than 10 seconds. The family was told by a doctor that Jose was shot 60 times, they told the Star. Preliminary reports from the Pima County Medical Examiner's Office state that Guerena died from 22 gunshot wounds, Dr. Gregory Hess said Friday.

Details on the 2010 shooting of two of Jose Guerena's medium-distant in-laws:

Jose Guerena, 26, his older brother, Alejandro Guerena, and Jose Celaya - a relative by marriage - were listed as suspects in an investigation of drug trafficking and home invasions, records show. Warrants were served at homes owned by Jose Guerena; Bertha Guerena, Jose's mother; and two homes owned by Jose and Graciela Celaya.

During a briefing before the warrants were served, records show, detectives told SWAT team members the two Guerena brothers and Celaya were associated with a double homicide related to a home invasion.

On March 29, 2010, Alejandro Guerena's sister-in-law was shot to death during a home invasion. Cynthia Orozco, 34, and her husband, Manuel Francisco Orozco, 36, were killed at their rented home in the 7800 block of West Spiney Lizard Place, Star archives show. That house is down the street from one of the homes searched in the May 5 raid, records show. Cynthia Orozco was the sister of Alejandro Guerena's wife, Pauline. No arrests have been made in those slayings.

It was at Pauline and Alejandro's house that the police made their biggest haul that day: $94,000 in a large shoebox, a bag of pot and a few weapons.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: az; banglist; freelazamataz; guerena; jbt; joseguerena; killswatt; pimacounty; policestate; swat; swatabuse; tucson; tyranny
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1 posted on 05/28/2011 2:51:57 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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It appears more and more this Marines only “crime” was being part of a family who had questionable characters in it...


2 posted on 05/28/2011 2:57:55 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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Uh...but then again, the Davidians were “drug & machine-gun dealers”.

Yeah right.


3 posted on 05/28/2011 3:09:10 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

It proves that the Sheriff’s Dept. is covering up a case of murder.


4 posted on 05/28/2011 3:11:22 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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The video that was released is not convincing at showing the raid was handled properly.

They said at first that Jose fired first, then said his weapon was on safety and he did not. (changed story not good sign)

Then the issue of withholding medical attention, bomb robot, over hour wait for medics. (does not make sense)

Found nothing illegal in Jose’s home.

Searched 4 houses total, no arrests at other houses. Confiscated cash, bag of pot, weapons. Question is since they made no arrests, what was really going on.

This whole thing smells like Dumpkin. Incompetent police chief, pol, fraud.


5 posted on 05/28/2011 3:13:31 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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Dupnik? Lie?? Surely you are jesting us.


6 posted on 05/28/2011 3:16:33 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama said OBL is dead I didn't believe it. Al Qaeda says he's dead and now I do!)
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To: Texas Fossil
This whole thing smells like Dumpkin. Incompetent police chief, pol, fraud.

It really sounds like not to bright people are trying to fabricate a story and are failing miserably.
The further they go, the *behinder* they get.

7 posted on 05/28/2011 3:19:46 PM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Bachmann, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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One thing that the Data dump proved is that the swat team was totaly untrained for what they were doing and I say that as someone who has had that training.

Those guy's were stacked up in front of that door so that if the guy inside were a Perp he would have taken out that entire team.

Just because those clowns were wearing body armor does not protect them from all calibers of rifle ammunition.You'd think they would know that.

I wonder if any of them have ever heard of the Fatal Funnel?
I guess Not.

8 posted on 05/28/2011 3:20:20 PM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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is it illegal to have 94k in a shoebox? can the government confiscate it?


9 posted on 05/28/2011 3:21:41 PM PDT by GreaterSwiss
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During this delay, Guerena's four-year-old son, who as the SWAT team knew was hiding in a bedroom, left his hiding place, walked out through a home Krygier describes as being splattered with Guerena’s blood, brain matter and bone fragments, and delivered himself to the police through the breached front door.

I can't believe I just read that. Are these ghouls from hell or something?

10 posted on 05/28/2011 3:24:01 PM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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Well they cant be in golds gym all the time.I wonder do these officers have to take a piss test for steroids?


11 posted on 05/28/2011 3:27:16 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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Yep, Dumpkin is the bright boy who quickly blamed the T-Party for Congresswoman Giffords shooting, with absolutely no evidence.

He is in charge of this mess and has taken 3 weeks of fumbling around to get to this point.

What a mess.


12 posted on 05/28/2011 3:29:33 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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One thing that the Data dump proved is that the swat team was totaly untrained for what they were doing...

Did you see in the video where the one dude runs away at first, then comes back and starts shooting his pistol over the shoulders of his buddies bunched up around the door?

It was a total cluster**** clownshow. Those morons have no business whatsover being geared-up like that. They're a danger to themselves and everyone else.

13 posted on 05/28/2011 3:29:34 PM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

It appears that if marijuana were legal, this young father of two and Honorable Marine would still be alive.

I now support legalization of marijuana....before any other innocent family men are murdered by monsters with badges on.


14 posted on 05/28/2011 3:34:37 PM PDT by Grunthor (Make the lefts' collective brain cell implode; Cain/Bolton 2012.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Without commenting on the validity of the rest of the case, it is not uncommon to not file charges right away when you have a complicated case as this one seems to be.(Multiple suspects, a dead suspect, multiple locations and suspected crimes, etc.)Arrests start the speedy trial clock ticking which will limit the time the prosecutors have for reviewing and organizing a prosecution or filing no charges.


15 posted on 05/28/2011 3:37:02 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: GreaterSwiss

Apparantly it is illegal, and they’ll murder your brother if you do it.


16 posted on 05/28/2011 3:37:20 PM PDT by Grunthor (Make the lefts' collective brain cell implode; Cain/Bolton 2012.)
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To: gaijin

THe FBI HRT were told Randy Weaver dealt drugs and robbed banks.


17 posted on 05/28/2011 3:37:37 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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Items found in Jose Guerena's house included: a Colt .38-caliber handgun, paperwork, tax returns, insurance papers, bank statements and a bank card, reports showed.

Well, that is certainly worth being murdered over /s

18 posted on 05/28/2011 3:37:37 PM PDT by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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To: GreaterSwiss

This is one way that great law, “Asset Forfeiture” works. You have cash(almost any amount will do depending on the circumstances)The cops seize it. You, yeah YOU, now have to prove that the money was obtained legitimately. If you fail to prove that is was obtained legally then it is assumed to be ill gotten gains and is forfeited to, guess who? The cops that seized it. They frequently split it with the feds.
There you have it. It has gotten so bad that many PDs focus on seizing your property and never mind proving criminal acts.


19 posted on 05/28/2011 3:43:55 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
I am not surprised that the same sheriff who immediately politicized the Giffords shooting in Arizona has a SWAT team of murderous thugs on his payroll.
20 posted on 05/28/2011 3:46:38 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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