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SWAT raid fatal drama is revealed in 911 call
Arizona Daily Star ^ | 5/14/2011 | Fernanda Echavarri

Posted on 05/14/2011 7:04:25 AM PDT by petitfour

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To: SgtHooper
...But please don’t paint all cops with such a broad brush. Get the bad ones out, and praise the good cops.

"Good cops?"

If there was such a thing, one would have to conclude that there had to be at least ONE on the team that conducted this attack, and I sure as hell don't see him speaking up on what happened.

So, this hypothetical "good" cop is laying low and keeping his mouth shut to protect his buddies from the prosecution they so richly deserve. Covering for the bad guys makes him one of them.

And since this is the good Democrat Dupnik's jurisdiction, there is absolutely zer0 chance of any investigation by the Holder Justice Department... just like the new Black Panther case. An investigation should take place on which PCSO Officer the victim had perhaps unknowingly "dissed" by not showing the proper deference that a subject should show to our "masters". This reeks of an execution.

81 posted on 05/14/2011 10:25:37 AM PDT by PalmettoMason (It's easy being a menace to society when WAY OVER half the population is happy being sheep.)
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To: Grunthor
Every member of that SWAT team belongs behind bars until their date with the needle.

One hundred percent agreed.

82 posted on 05/14/2011 10:33:06 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: petitfour

From:

http://www.kgun9.com/story/14621212/marine-killed-by-swat-was-acting-in-defense-says-family

The officer said that when the SWAT team got the door open, they found Guerena crouched in the hall pointing an assault rifle at them. According to O’Connor, Guerena said, “”I have something for you!” He said that Guerena “brought this all on himself by presenting himself the way he did.”

Guerena’s relatives disagree. “Now, they’re saying this now that they admitted for him not shooting back (SIC). They want to throw more dirt on him,” said cousin Oscar Garcia.


83 posted on 05/14/2011 10:36:07 AM PDT by FoxPro
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To: PalmettoMason

My “good cops” comment was meant for all officers in this country, not just in this case. It is way too early yet, but I bet the “good cop(s)”, if any there, are quite uneasy about now. Once the suit begins, there will be those that crack, imho. I cannot believe that all involved were given the full extent of the facts. But, the supers should be sued and fried over this. Now, that this is Stupnick’s jurisdiction makes it even more interesting.


84 posted on 05/14/2011 10:39:12 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: PalmettoMason

Dupnik used-up all his political capital in defending his department against charges they did next do nothing in the Giffords case in addition to blaming Republicans for it.

Very odd if he’s not yet made a statement about this. Even if only a “full investigation” statement.

I bet the bonehead resigns in the next few weeks.


85 posted on 05/14/2011 10:39:26 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (The last Democrat worth a damn was Stalin. He purged his whole Party.)
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To: petitfour
Drug War Whores have blood on their hands.
86 posted on 05/14/2011 10:41:11 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: SgtHooper
But, the supers should be sued and fried over this.

What about those who executed the raid?

87 posted on 05/14/2011 10:44:20 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: SgtHooper

I agree that there are good people and bad people who work as cops, just as there are all kinds of people in every line or work. I’ve seen video where cops went to great lengths and put themselves in considerable danger in order to avoid using lethal force against an armed man. Dozens of police officers get shot and killed in cold blood every year while making traffic stops and serving warrants. An officer was gunned down and killed by an illegal immigrant in a town near me a few years ago while making a routine traffic stop. It’s a very dangerous job.

I agree with the poster who said this is an institutional problem. The cops clearly did not use the right procedure to serve this warrant. I get the sense that the cops knew this man was probably armed, which is why they sent a SWAT team to serve the warrant. It looks like the SWAT team was much too impatient and broke his door down way too soon when they should have given the man at least an hour to surrender peacefully. I have no idea why they shot this poor man 60 times. That is just bizarre and sadistic. Something about this whole raid is strange and doesn’t add up. I’m thinking about it and trying to find a theory for what really happened here.


88 posted on 05/14/2011 11:03:19 AM PDT by socialism_stinX (Why did California go bankrupt?...because of unfunded mandates, medicaid, and illegal immigration.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

And on the other hand, what is their response time when citizens need them? Well, why don’t we ask Gabrielle Giffords?


89 posted on 05/14/2011 11:21:36 AM PDT by DPMD (~)
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To: nagdt
Why was a warrant issued?

Don't know for sure but it is not unusual for a street drug bust to net some hapless junkie low level dealer. Cops and DA lean on him hard with promises of reduced or no sentence if they 'roll over' on their supplier. Junkie is scared $#!tless and screws up the address which the cops jump on without verifying. Presto, another urban disaster.

Regards,
GtG

90 posted on 05/14/2011 11:38:01 AM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: SgtHooper
This is criminal negligence and they should be hung at the nearest tree.

Pretty much the same thing someone else just said this morning about this disgusting abuse of the badge.

91 posted on 05/14/2011 11:48:03 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: SgtHooper
... there is a trend not only in the increase in crime and lawlessness, but also the mistreatment of citizens by police. I do not see it getting better anytime soon.

Emphasis mine. So chilling. Wasn't it in the same general area that the Anapolis veteran was gunned down by LEO in front of a Costco? Those thugs have remained unpunished, as far as I know.

92 posted on 05/14/2011 11:55:07 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: petitfour
these police ‘SWAT’ teams have all their special weapons and gear but they seem to be too damn stupid to utilize them in any useful way. Citizens would be well served to defund these units and use the money to put more COPS on the beat. A regional SWAT team that was properly trained and called upon in the rare occasions when actually needed would be much better than all the local police departments having these special units that are under trained and used in instances where a lower profile approach would be safer and more effective than these clowns acting out their military special ops fantasies while kicking in doors and abusing citizens.
93 posted on 05/14/2011 12:13:49 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Finny

As an FYI, one of the cops involved in that shooting has been indicted for giving a firearm to a convicted felon.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2719718/posts (FR thread from today)


94 posted on 05/14/2011 12:56:09 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

That those guys weren’t held accountable and kicked out of law enforcement is beyond my ken.


95 posted on 05/14/2011 1:38:45 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: socialism_stinX
Something about this whole raid is strange and doesn’t add up. I’m thinking about it and trying to find a theory for what really happened here.

.... what if you were a big politician and you wanted to get rid of Sheriff Dupnick?

How better than to have something he is responsible for go terribly wrong?

96 posted on 05/14/2011 2:21:49 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: FoxPro
Guerena crouched in the hall pointing an assault rifle

He is a former marine who has seen action. If he really wanted to do something, some of them would have already bought the farm. That fact that he had not fired a single bullet says something.

97 posted on 05/14/2011 4:45:37 PM PDT by Moorings
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To: FoxPro
Guerena crouched in the hall pointing an assault rifle

He was a former marine who has seen action. If he really wanted to do something, some of them would have already bought the farm. That fact that he had not fired a single bullet says something.

98 posted on 05/14/2011 4:45:57 PM PDT by Moorings
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To: petitfour; Eaker; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; APatientMan; ApesForEvolution; ...
CW2 Ping


99 posted on 05/14/2011 4:50:42 PM PDT by Travis McGee (Castigo Cay is on Kindle)
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To: petitfour
The Sheriff is Clarence Dupnik, the corrupt whore who blamed the Congresswomen Gifford shooting on talk radio. Dupnik may be following the Napolitano theory that the greatest domestic terrorism threat comes from Iraq/Afghanistan veterans. Arizona has a large veteran population with strong veteran organizations. I hope they demand indictments of these trigger happy halfwits.
100 posted on 05/14/2011 4:56:02 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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