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SWAT entry questioned in Marine's death
KGUN9 ^ | 5/13/2011 | Joel Waldman

Posted on 05/13/2011 10:39:22 PM PDT by petitfour

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To: MileHi

Isn’t that lovely? Seems very similar to complaints the Colonists had with King George’s minions.

41 posted on 05/14/2011 4:23:08 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: TigersEye


42 posted on 05/14/2011 4:25:28 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: TigersEye; kstewskis

K - ping to post 15... Have you heard about this latest debacle in the People’s Republic?

The jackboots march closer.

43 posted on 05/14/2011 6:57:56 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: NY Attitude

Combine those two stories, and the days ahead become exceptionally dark.

44 posted on 05/14/2011 7:00:21 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: NFHale
Why is it NOT murder when SWAT teams shoot the wrong person?

Well, of course, it is.

Some of the biggest steroid users I've seen were LEO boys.
Quite a number of PDs have an unwritten 'roid rage policy => No problem until the city DAs office files paperwork.

45 posted on 05/14/2011 8:55:29 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito Ergo Conservitus.)
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To: Borax Queen
oh noooooooo.....haven't!

Yikes this makes me nervous, esp. being in charge of my own LLC...ect...

46 posted on 05/14/2011 9:10:34 PM PDT by kstewskis ("Tolerance is what happens when one loses their principles"..... Fr. A. Saenz)
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To: petitfour

Very sad outcome.

47 posted on 05/15/2011 6:40:51 AM PDT by XHogPilot
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To: petitfour

We are not talking about bad cops - It is leadership, discipline and training issues that killed Jose Guerena.

I am disturbed and upset about a young hero Marine possibly killed by “friendly fire” under questionable circumstances by Pima County SWAT. A 26 year-old former Marine Jose Guerena is dead, was it righteous or criminal? Lets check the current info available from Pima County Sheriff’s spokesman, and media quotes:

Jose Guerena arrives home from working 12 hour a shift at mining job, showers and goes to sleep. The man has no criminal record other than a couple of traffic tickets.

Two hours later Pima SWAT arrives with sirens and lights on all vehicles at Guerena home to serve warrant. (Wife and locals say no lights or sirens observed) Lights and sirens on serving a warrant, LOL?

Wife & son see unidentified man pointing gun in window, runs toward bedroom to wake Jose fearing home invasion.

Jose wakes, instructs wife to hide with son in closet, with AR-15 moves toward front door.

Guerena home door breeched. SWAT claims after knocking for 15 seconds and announcing. Wife and locals say no knock, no ID announced.

SWAT claims fired upon by Guerena upon entry and returned fire, 71 rounds. SWAT recants initial statements. Jose’s weapon was found on safe with round in chamber. First man in stack has accidential discharge (AD) that hits door frame, and he falls back, whole stack opens fire on Guerena. You can clearly see from the videos of the house that most of the 71 shots hit walls and doorframe. County Corn says 60 hits on Guerena, I would like to see second opinion. As said previously would you want to be the pointman in the door, if you’ve got 4 or 5 quick triggers behind you that’ll spray and pray? SWAT lucky Guerena demonstrated more fire discipline than they were capable of demonstrating

SWAT made entry into two other homes to check for possible injuries and damage from rounds that penetrated after exiting from the Guerena home.

Wife talks with 911 operator for more than five minutes pleading for help while husband bleeds out and SWAT hangs around outside trying to figure out what happened and what to do next. SWAT pull wife off phone and out door, kid still in closet.

Wife claims Jose was still alive. SWAT said he was dead hitting floor. 1 hour and 15 minutes to “clear” house before SWAT allows an ambulance crew work scene.

Wife not served with warrant, warrant and files sealed after the fact.

Post entry/shooting investigation being conducted Pima County Sheriff’s Office. Why not let AZ State Police investigate with all conflicting statements.

This needs to stay at top of stack. Righteous or wrongly all the facts need to be out on the table .

48 posted on 05/15/2011 2:25:35 PM PDT by LowNslow (Retired CWO)
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To: Ken H
I'm assuming (yeah, I know) there are tapes of the raid.

Has anyone asked PCSD about that?

Um, they've refused to release even the alleged search warrant. No way they'd give up any tapes...

49 posted on 05/15/2011 10:14:28 PM PDT by piytar (Obama opposed every tool used to get Osama. So of course he gets the credit. /hurl)
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To: Ken H
Note he does not actually say that the lights and sirens were going."

He said "IT was going." It's clear he's talking about he lights and siren, what else could he have meant?

50 posted on 05/17/2011 8:27:13 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: Fido969
He said "IT was going." It's clear he's talking about he lights and siren, what else could he have meant?

His statement:

"We had our large armored vehicle there with the markings on it. It also has lights and sirens. It was going.

The first two its refer to the armored vehicle. I think the 3rd one does as well. If he meant lights and siren, I'd think he would have said "They were going".

IMO, he used weasel language because a) he does not know whether or not the L&S were going, or b) he knows they were not.

51 posted on 05/17/2011 12:44:21 PM PDT by Ken H
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