Skip to comments.SWAT entry questioned in Marine's death
Posted on 05/13/2011 10:39:22 PM PDT by petitfour
TUCSON, Ariz. (KGUN9-TV) - A decorated Marine's family cannot believe their loved one, who served two tours of duty overseas, is gone; never expecting him to die here at home at the hands of law enforcement.
A Pima County Sheriff's Department SWAT team shot and killed Jose Guerena eight days ago; it was executing a search warrant. Four days ago, in a news conference, a sheriff's deputy said the department makes it clear when SWAT is about to enter a home. Lt. Michael O'Connor says SWAT says it never wants to be mistaken for other people, "We had our large armored vehicle there with the markings on it. It also has lights and sirens. It was going. So we do everything we can to try to portray the image that we're law enforcement, we're not home invaders."
But, Guerena's wife, Vanessa, who hid in the closet with her youngest son while 71 rounds were fired her husband's direction, said she heard nothing. At any point did you hear them yell, police" or SWAT'?" KGUN9 asked. "No, no!" answered Guerena.
A neighbor who heard the shooting corroborates the wife's account, "The only sirens I heard out here were like maybe 20-30 minutes into the entire ordeal," said David Watson.
Watson is very familiar with gunfire and stressful situations; he's a Vietnam combat veteran, "I want to make this as clear as possible: you only heard the announcements after you heard the gunfire?" asked KGUN9 reporter Joel Waldman. Watson quickly answered, "Yes!"
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Those sheriff scum even lied and recanted the previous statement.
this kind of thing is getting so common that people don’t even think twice about it anymore. That’s something to think twice about.
We had something like this happen in Minneapolis a few years ago.
A Minneapolis Police High Risk Entry team (aka SWAT) attacked the wrong house while executing a search warrant based on a statement made an ex-con.
They did not announce themselves. They started hammering the front door open with a battering ram. The guy inside grabbed his pistol and opened fire. The police returned fire.
Amazingly, no one was killed or even injured - except after the police took the guy into custody. They smacked him around. Later on, the police chief issued a kinda-sorta apology.
max americana: Those sheriff scum even lied and recanted the previous statement.
They also held back paramedics for an hour until they were sure he bled to death.
This obscene SWAT murder madness is everywhere. SWAT teams have become like WWII Buzz Bombs over London - they hit each night, smash into a house and kill people, and walk away grinning. And they don't need a warrant, you don't have to be guilty of anything, they are never held to account for their killings and maimings - and you never know if you're next.
This is jackboot insanity, nothing less. This is what generations of American died fighting to prevent happening here.
But it's here.
Did they make it clear in this case?
Lt. Michael O'Connor says SWAT says it never wants to be mistaken for other people, "We had our large armored vehicle there with the markings on it. It also has lights and sirens. It was going.
Note he does not actually say that the lights and sirens were going. OTOH, the wife and a neighbor are on record as saying they were not.
So we do everything we can to try to portray the image that we're law enforcement, we're not home invaders."
Again, he doesn't actually say they did so in this case.
Your post is spot-on. I used to be one of those people who was of the “Law Enforcement is Always right” - but over the last five years, I’ve changed my tune.
While I hate to possibly invoke Godwin’s Law, this type of increasing incident seems to remind me of jack-booted thugs from an earlier time who had no respect for human right or the rule of law.
I'm completely unsurprised that Dupnik runs this poorly trained SWAT unit.
You’d sure think the sheriff would have filmed the entire scene, showing this supposed siren and lights display while the raid progressed. If he meant what he said. It sounds, at best, at BEST, like the SWAT is covering its hineys and told lies to everyone involved, including the sheriff who believed them until some embarrassing contradictions and lack of evidence turned up. At worst, there is wink and nod from the sheriff too.
Dupnik needs kicked out of there, like, yesterday. This is in the middle of a well known drug corridor, and the last thing they need is for law enforcement credibility to be going down the toilet.
This Marine was murdered by these jackboot thugs. This Marine served in Iraq to help protect our Freedoms, only to be gunned down in cold blood by these thugs.
Most SWAT teams relish the thought of acting like RAMBO. These SWAT thugs live to carry out violence so they can get their high. Damn them all.
SWAT teams are an affront to the ideals of our Republic. Our Founders would be appalled at the insane lurch towards a police state.
I cringe every time I see on TV these animals with SWAT on their uniforms. It makes me feel as those I am in a Police State. I doubt very few SWAT thugs think much of our Constitution.
Has anyone asked PCSD about that?
Pima County ping
They were..."worried" about the neighbors....suuuuuuuurrrreeee.
I'd like to know how much cash is too much cash to keep at home. Hmmm? Does gold and silver qualify as suspicious as well and how much of that can a citizen have in their home? And is that all they need to make the drug conspiracy charge? No drugs necessary?
When the Feds go broke, and all their protection collapses, I want these guys to know why.
When they are standing at the edge of a ditch, and they feel a gun barrel against their heads, I want them to remember how they got off, dressed in black, 'roiding out while they smashed thru the wrong door and butchered some "civilian" and walked away grinning.
There WILL be a Reckoning. "I Vas Followink Orders!" ain't gonna cut it.
Do not help or cooperate with Sheriff Dupnik or ANY of his Deputies.
Union POS Scum.
And then they didn’t bother to lock the doors back up? Just walked away and left them unguarded?
If I was king, heads would roll.
Apparently the SWAT team blocked paramedics from aiding the victim until he bled to death.
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