[DTogo]

OK Juan, so how DID we find out the name of Osama’s messenger?

[allmendream]

The line on that one is that the info wasn't given “during waterboarding” but days later - after the waterboarding convinced him to talk.

So apparently unless we had him upside down with water running over his face when he gave up teh couriers name - it wasn't waterboarding that made him tell us!

Also - words mean things. Torture is still done in the world - and we don't do ANYTHING even close to most of what they do. Thus I think it critical to differentiate.

McCain bears the scars of the torture the Vietcong put him through - he winces every time he raises his arm to wave to the crowd.

KSM would have been perfectly physically able to play a good game of tennis a few hours after what we did to him.

Somehow I don't think the word “torture” really covers BOTH adequately. For one it is an apt description - for the other - a bit of a ‘stretch’ at best (and not on a rack).