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Wanted: Fewer science nerds, more 'culturally competent' doctors
CNN ^ | April 28, 2011 | Madison Park

Posted on 04/29/2011 7:31:51 PM PDT by reaganaut1

The test that all medical school applicants take could place greater emphasis on behavioral and social sciences, adding a new component and lengthening the test to seven hours, if proposed changes are accepted.

Members of the committee that proposed the changes to the Medical College Admission Test (MCAT) say that this could help better identify applicants who have a greater understanding of behavioral and social factors that contribute to health problems.

“We want to broaden the knowledge base that students have about those factors that influence health,” said committee chair Dr. Steven Gabbe, who is also CEO of the Ohio State University Medical Center. “Yes, you must have solid base in science, but you have to understand the challenges. You have to be culturally competent to understand socio-economic challenges in different groups face dealing with health problems.

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Robert Schaeffer, public education director of the National Center for Fair & Open Testing and frequent critic of standardized exams, said the proposals are headed in the right direction.

“Medical schools’ leadership, as reflected by AAMC, is indeed trying to change the types of students who are recruited for medical schools to emphasize more diversity of all sorts,” he said. “There is a growing perception because of the emphasis of MCAT in medical school admissions, you’re getting science nerds - kids who are strong at mastering scientific facts, but are not so strong at dealing with patients, real human beings with real human problems, which have to be dealt with a broader array of disposition.”

“The kind of diversity they’re looking for are intellectual, cultural, racial.”

As statistics indicate, students from lower economic backgrounds tend to score lower on MCATs, which are crucial in determining medical school admissions.

(Excerpt) Read more at thechart.blogs.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: affirmativeaction; diversity; doctors; mcat; medicalschool; medicine; quotas
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Some want medical schools to accept applicants by racial quota and train doctors as social workers.

In the Bakke case where the Supreme Court upheld denying a medical school place for Bakke because he was white, his replacement, Patrick Chavis , turned out to be an incompetent and callous doctor who cost at least woman her life.

1 posted on 04/29/2011 7:31:57 PM PDT by reaganaut1
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Thus opening the way for more malpractice suits against incompetent physicians, thereby further enriching the trial lawyers.


2 posted on 04/29/2011 7:35:38 PM PDT by reg45
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“The kind of diversity they’re looking for are intellectual, cultural, racial.”

Really? Intellectual diversity? You want smart and stupid doctors? Didn't think so. Instead, you want to be able to accept more black applicants and hispanic applicants despite them scoring, on average 5-10 points below white/asian applicants on a test where 30 is really good and 35 is great?
3 posted on 04/29/2011 7:40:12 PM PDT by Yet_Again
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To: reaganaut1
Some of the best physicians I've met are foreign trained and speak English as a second language.

It's not unusual for residency programs to recruit abroad to fill slots in what may be considered less than desirable specialties. Psychiatry and pediatrics come to mind.

4 posted on 04/29/2011 7:40:49 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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Effective medicine is compassionate medicine, and effective medicine is rooted in science. If you want someone who knows more about Macbeth than they do about physiology, pharmacology, molecular biology, and cell biology etc. to diagnose and treat you, have at it.


5 posted on 04/29/2011 7:41:09 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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You need bypass surgery

Option 1: A Doctor who is sweet, nice, excellent bedside manner, calls you by your first name, remembers the name of your wife, children, where you work etc. Yet his post op mortality rate is 2.5%

Option 2: A doctor is distant, rude, cold, impersonal, has to check the chart to know what patient he is seeing, yet his post op mortality rate is 0.5%

The question is what doctor do you choose?

6 posted on 04/29/2011 7:41:21 PM PDT by LukeL (Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Boogaloo)
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Give me the science nerd - also someone with critical skills of observation. My Primary care physician, and in fact all of the cadre of physicians I now see in my twilight years have great powers of observation, are methodical diagnosticians, and are competent scientists. I don't need some quack social worker masquerading as a physician - I want a Doctor of Medicine, a scientist, and a disciple of Hippocrates. The rest of them can go to Hell!

Lamh Foistenach Abu!
7 posted on 04/29/2011 7:42:15 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN '69 - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle!)
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When choosing a heart surgeon, I only have one question: “Do you like salsa music?”


8 posted on 04/29/2011 7:44:06 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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I look for Asian or white doctors, especially men....it was hardest probably for them to compete to get into med school...I don’t trust “affirmative action” types. And, unfortunately that’s the way it is!


9 posted on 04/29/2011 7:45:54 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Unlike the West, the Islamic world is serious.)
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Just dawned on me....this will make it easier to have those “behavior/culturally” trained docs send you down the “hospice chute.” They will be able to “culturally” decide “who has more value?” The 20 yr old or the 65 yr old....


10 posted on 04/29/2011 7:48:32 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Unlike the West, the Islamic world is serious.)
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To: LukeL
The question is what doctor do you choose?

In my case, I chose the one my cardiologist recommended. They know the score.

I met with the heart surgeon long enough for him to tell me who his mentors were and what his success rate had been with the experimental (at the time) procedure he was going to perform on me the next day.

I saw him a week post-op. He admired his stitching work and told me to call him if I had any problems. Not warm, but very professional.

I wasn't prepared for the process of letting someone who wouldn't remember my name taking my life in his hands and then letting my cardiologist deal with the outcome, but it makes sense.

11 posted on 04/29/2011 8:00:02 PM PDT by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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The dumbing down caused by affirmative action continues.

Look what it got us as “The Leader of the Free World”. Do you feel safer or more prosperous than you did 3 years ago?

I graduated from medical training in 1975 and it was tough. I had to work my arse off. My profession requires that I take an exam to “re-certify” every 6 years. The exams I took in 1975 and 1981 were a challenge but I studied hard and I passed them. Then I noticed a flood of female and minority students “admitted” into my profession. After that the exams became stupid easy and the “bell curve” was amazing. I realized that the profession of medicine in the USA is doomed to mediocrity in the name of all things obama.


12 posted on 04/29/2011 8:02:24 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: reg45

Missing the point. They need less people debunking Global Warming finding alternatives for oil and more people pushing genetic food and big pharma.


13 posted on 04/29/2011 8:04:24 PM PDT by proudtobeanamerican1 (A house divided against itself cannot stand.” Abraham Lincoln)
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To: LukeL
The question is what doctor do you choose?

The one who isn't a Muslim.

14 posted on 04/29/2011 8:04:35 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Here in Minnestoopid I am running into to many physicians that have a social engineering agenda. Along with the social engineering agenda is a lot of cookie cutter mentalitiy. A patient over 50 that is still a competitive cyclist is outside of their comprehension. Add to that a patient who keeps up with peer reiview publications (out of an interest in sports physiology).
It is reaching the point where I will no longer recognize any professional license issued in Minnesota. My business would then have to move back to Texas.


15 posted on 04/29/2011 8:06:23 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (All Hail the No Talent Pop Star pResident.)
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To: reaganaut1

So after nursing schools have preferred man-haters for 30 years, medical schools are preferring homosexual doctors. That figures.


16 posted on 04/29/2011 8:15:23 PM PDT by familyop ("Nice girl, but about as sharp as a sack of wet mice." --Foghorn Leghorn)
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So after nursing schools have preferred man-haters for 30 years, medical schools are preferring homosexual doctors. That figures.


17 posted on 04/29/2011 8:15:35 PM PDT by familyop ("Nice girl, but about as sharp as a sack of wet mice." --Foghorn Leghorn)
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To: Fred Hayek

What they don’t want are doctors who can treat illness. They want doctors who will signoff on the death panel, because it will be these people that gave the doctors their jobs.

How many Conservatives work at the Department of Motor Vehicles? That’s how the left wants medicine to be.


18 posted on 04/29/2011 8:15:59 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Who is John Galt?)
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To: 43north

Most on FR don’t want to admit that the lowering of standards in professions and the military has been as much in the service of increasing women in these fields as increasing the number of “minorities”.


19 posted on 04/29/2011 8:27:09 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: reaganaut1

I believe that Chavis killed more than one, and put a number of others through horrendous suffering. Fortunately, someone in the hood took him out. It was thought that it was someone retaliating for the death or injury of one of his patients....Just doing the permanent revocation of a medical license that the Medical Board wouldn’t do.

Bakke, on the other hand, continues to be a competent, productive doctor.

Be very careful when you choose a physician.


20 posted on 04/29/2011 8:31:33 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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