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FLASH permitless carry passes Senate 30-20(MT)
MSSA ^ | 28 April, 2011 | Gary Marbut

Posted on 04/28/2011 9:06:59 PM PDT by marktwain

MSSA’s permitless carry bill, HB 271, has passed the Senate with a vote of 30-20. More properly said, the Senate has concurred in the conference committee report on HB 271 by a vote of 30-20.

The conference committee version only affects concealed carry INSIDE the city limits of an incorporated city or town. Concealed carry outside city limits (99.4% of Montana) has not required a permit since 1991. Open carry inside city limits has never required a permit in Montana.

The CC version of HB 271 allows a person to carry concealed (“wholly or partially covered by clothing or wearing apparel”) inside city limits if that person is eligible to possess a handgun under state or federal law.

The Senate must still approve adoption of the CC report with a Third Reading vote, either later today or tomorrow (last day of the session). I expect the vote for HB 271 to hold for Third Reading, but there are no guarantees. You can bet opponents will be trying for a Hail Mary effort to turn five Senate votes against HB 271 on Third Reading.

Once the Senate approves HB 271 on Third Reading, it will go to the Governor for his signature. Governor Schweitzer has opined before that he likes the concept, but who knows if that attitude continues.

In the 30-20 vote, all Republicans voted for HB 271, plus Democrats Gillan and Hamlett. If you can send messages to the Senate, you should thank those senators who supported HB 271 and urge them to continue their support on Third Reading.

Gary Marbut, president Montana Shooting Sports Association http://www.mtssa.org author, Gun Laws of Montana http://www.mtpublish.com


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; US: Montana
KEYWORDS: banglist; constitutionalcarry; legislation; mt
It looks promising for Constitutional Carry for all of Montana this year. Not done yet, and we still have the Governors signature to consider.
1 posted on 04/28/2011 9:07:01 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

I should really move there


2 posted on 04/28/2011 9:10:54 PM PDT by eak3
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To: marktwain

It looks like crime in Montana is about to go down to nada.


3 posted on 04/28/2011 9:15:55 PM PDT by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: neverdem

FYI


4 posted on 04/28/2011 9:29:20 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: marktwain
Would someone please ping me, when this passes?

I'd missed entirely that this was up for consideration, and I'll want to update my map immediately, when it becomes law.


5 posted on 04/28/2011 9:29:34 PM PDT by jdege
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To: marktwain

When are you guys going to get rid of your pinhead governor?


6 posted on 04/28/2011 9:44:16 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Darwinism is to Genesis as Global Warming is to Revelations.)
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To: jdege; JohnRLott
We owe much of the progress on that map to Dr. John Lott.

That's the way to "go green"!

7 posted on 04/28/2011 9:53:49 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The power to manage "The Environment" is the power to control the entire economy.)
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To: jdege

Like your map very much, though it is a little too quick for me.


8 posted on 04/28/2011 9:54:01 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: marktwain

fantastic!


9 posted on 04/28/2011 10:56:00 PM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: jdege

Good map. It shows a nice steady improvement.


10 posted on 04/28/2011 11:07:59 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: marktwain; Brucifer; uamadan

Great news!


11 posted on 04/28/2011 11:31:22 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: jdege

Vermont is green?! WTF!


12 posted on 04/29/2011 12:19:37 AM PDT by winstonwolf33
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To: marktwain

Now every town in Montana will be like Dodge City. You mark my words. Chaos will reign in the streets./sarc


13 posted on 04/29/2011 12:42:00 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: marktwain

Good for Montana.


14 posted on 04/29/2011 1:20:30 AM PDT by exnavy (May the Lord bless and keep our troops.)
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To: winstonwolf33

“Vermont is green?! WTF!”

Vermont has not required a permit for concealed carry since the early 20th century. Go figure.


15 posted on 04/29/2011 3:16:25 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Conservatives are the battered wives of American politics.)
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To: jdege

Very impressive map!


16 posted on 04/29/2011 3:38:06 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: marktwain

Question - Would this apply only residents of Montana or to anyone who happens to be in Montana?


17 posted on 04/29/2011 4:17:12 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito Ergo Conservitus.)
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To: winstonwolf33

Vermont has been the aberration since before the CCW movement started. In Vermont, it has been the law for seemingly forever that you could go into a gun store, buy a piece, strap it on under your coat and walk down the street unmolested by the cops.

NB that when liberals were wetting their shorts about Florida’s gun law in, what was it, 1987, they omitted to mention the lack of shoot-em-ups in Vermont. Probably because for most liberals, all they know about Vermont are the autumn colors and the number of red barns with cows out front.

I predict that the hard-core looney left states like California, NY, NJ, IL and possibly MD will hold out forever, no matter how high the pile of evidence against their position becomes. It is part of liberal canon law that guns cause crime, and they will not hear anything else.


18 posted on 04/29/2011 4:18:07 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: RKBA Democrat
Vermont. Open carry. In front of Dunkin' Donuts.;)


19 posted on 04/29/2011 5:38:21 AM PDT by Daffynition ("Don't just live your life, but witness it also.")
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To: RKBA Democrat

That’s because you can walk around naked up there, therefore it ain’t concealed...


20 posted on 04/29/2011 7:04:41 AM PDT by GregNH (Re-Elect "No Body")
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To: jdege

I love this graphic.


21 posted on 04/29/2011 7:26:18 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: Daffynition

In front of Dunkin’ donuts?

Good neighborhood!


22 posted on 04/29/2011 8:22:08 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: jdege
I'd missed entirely that this was up for consideration, and I'll want to update my map immediately, when it becomes law.

Actually it sounds like you've needed another color for your map indicated "Constitutional Carry except in certain designated areas". Although if MT corrects this today, I have no idea if there will still be any states like that.

23 posted on 04/29/2011 9:07:57 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion
When are you guys going to get rid of your pinhead governor?

Maybe she's just having some sort of seizure. She was fine last year.

24 posted on 04/29/2011 9:09:32 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: jdege

Very interesting graphic - but tell me, when it indicates that TX and OK were red, “no issue” states back in the 1980s, does it truly mean that their laws were more restrictive than those of NY state?!!


25 posted on 04/29/2011 12:26:40 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

God created all men equal, Colt kept them that way.


26 posted on 04/29/2011 12:31:37 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 (Never pass up an opportunity to " Shut Up")
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To: jdege
Cool map and all but where is it written that States can determine the right to carry?

It is actually forbiden by the 2nd and the 10th.

27 posted on 04/29/2011 2:11:49 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (The Tree of Liberty did not grow from an ACORN!)
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To: Rembrandt

It’s already low. I lived there for 5 years and never locked my home. Over 80% of households own firearms so occupied dwelling burglaries are really low.


28 posted on 04/29/2011 2:20:18 PM PDT by CholeraJoe (To conserve energy, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off permanently.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

TX law forbade carry, but had an exception for “traveling”. Where “traveling” was defined as meaning whatever the sheriff wanted it to mean.

In practice, whites - particularly those who were friends with the sheriff - would be considered traveling anytime they were off their property, while blacks and damned Yankees would not be considered traveling no matter where they were.

This all changed in the sixties. As a result of the civil rights movement, laws that had been intended to only be enforced against blacks began to be enforced against everybody.


29 posted on 04/29/2011 6:07:29 PM PDT by jdege
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To: Daffynition

So THAT’S how you get the hole in the donut!;)


30 posted on 04/30/2011 12:44:02 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Frank_2001

31 posted on 04/30/2011 2:14:00 PM PDT by Daffynition ("Don't just live your life, but witness it also.")
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Cool map and all but where is it written that States can determine the right to carry?

It is actually forbiden by the 2nd and the 10th.

How do you figure? I read just the opposite. The 2nd Amendment is technically redundant since the power to "infringe" on the right to bear arms is not delegated to Congress in the first place. Since this power is not prohibited to the states, it is therefore "reserved".

32 posted on 04/30/2011 2:26:24 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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