[ctdonath2]

How often is >100, 300, 500, or 1000 yards even an option?

[driftdiver]

In afghanistan the distances are easily in those ranges on a regular basis

[Redleg Duke]

When I went through Basic in the summer of 1965, the Army had transitioned to "Trainfire". My Guard Unit in Wisconsin was still using the old ranges with their pits and hoist targets.

At least we were issued M-14s. Of course, the kids from the Big Apple and such still boloed alot because of the "kick", but it was a rifle I had confidence in.

We need to transition back to the 7.62 Nato and give our men and women a real weapon.

[texmexis best]

The taliban regularly engage at 500 yards and our soldiers are at a disadvantage at that range.

We need .308s and Grendels