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To: Fantasywriter
I read the entire article, and I agree with a lot of it. I agree that Obama is mendacious, in that he wants to transform America into a Scandinavian-style social democrac welfare state, and he adeptly hid his intentions from the voters. He twists the truth with impunity, and is a failure in terms of leadership.

I'm a conservative and no fan of Obama.

However, like Glen Beck, Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, Charles Krauthammer, and virtually every other nationally-recognized conservative figure, I don't have much patience for nonsensical and manifestly false conspiracy theories, such as Birthism.

Part of being a conservative is accepting the world for what it is, not for what I would wish it to be. Do I wish Obama was ineligible for the presidency? Sure, that would be great, then we could remove him without the bother of having to defeat him in the next election. Unfortunatley, that's just not reality.

The reality, whether you choose to accept it or not, is this: Obama, having been born in Hawaii under US jurisdicition, is manifestly eligible for the office he occupies, to which he was elected in a legal, free and fair election. The only way to get rid of him is the hard way: defeat him at the ballot box next year.

Instead of tilting at windmills and grasping at conspiracy theories that will never achieve our shared goal of ending the presidency of Obama, I suggest you get to work in the effort to unseat him next year.

14 posted on 04/15/2011 9:20:20 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity

You skirted the issue of whether Barry is a dangerously sick pathological liar. Why?


15 posted on 04/15/2011 9:32:39 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: curiosity
curiosity said: "having been born in Hawaii under US jurisdicition, is manifestly eligible for the office he occupies,..."

So according to you, the term "natural born citizen" includes those who have a parent who is not a citizen? Is that what you believe our Founders intended? What do you think the purpose of the "natural born citizen" clause was?

Your interpretation seems to match the qualifications from the Fourteenth Amendment, which was simply a declaration of who constituted a "citizen of the United States".

19 posted on 04/15/2011 11:22:38 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: curiosity
"The reality, whether you choose to accept it or not, is this: Obama, having been born in Hawaii under US jurisdicition, is manifestly eligible for the office he occupies, to which he was elected in a legal, free and fair election" --

Objective, verifiable, documentary proof of these assertions, please?

20 posted on 04/15/2011 12:50:10 PM PDT by Tenniel2 (Ignore politics and you'll end up being governed by your inferiors. -- Plato)
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To: curiosity
and manifestly false conspiracy theories, such as Birthism.

Obama, having been born in Hawaii under US jurisdicition, is manifestly eligible for the office he occupies, to which he was elected in a legal, free and fair election. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You are the conspirator. You have no certified evidence that Obama was born in the U.S., is a natural born citizen, or even a citizen. None!

Fact: The only evidence available to you are Internet images of dubious origin, highly massaged statements from Fukino that resolve nothing, and hearsay from Lingle and Abercrombie.

Fact: It is irrational for anyone to spend tax dollars and personal money to hide common documents.

Fact: It is rational therefore for those defending Article 2, Section 1, of the Constitution to be suspicious and have doubts concerning Obama’s natural born status.

Fact: It is rational to request certifiable evidence that Obama is a natural born citizen.

Finally: This is not about getting rid of Obama. If he is a natural born citizen he has every constitutional right to occupy the White House. Personally, I would not support any effort to impeach him.

27 posted on 04/15/2011 4:48:06 PM PDT by wintertime
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