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Democratic senator wants Internet sales taxes (& Republican Enzi-WY also!)
Cnet ^ | 4/12/11 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 04/12/2011 12:55:13 PM PDT by GreaterSwiss

Update 10:30 a.m. PT: I've heard back from Sen. Mike Enzi's office. It sent me e-mail this morning saying: "Senator Enzi plans to co-sponsor the Main Street Fairness bill with Senator Durbin. As far as a timeline or drafts, you'll have to check with Senator Durbin's office."

Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20052999-281.html#ixzz1JL8wTRdz A Democratic senator is preparing to introduce legislation that aims to end the golden era of tax-free Internet shopping.

The proposal--expected to be made public soon after Tax Day--would rewrite the ground rules for Internet and mail order sales by eliminating the ability of Americans to shop at Web sites like Amazon.com and Overstock.com without paying state sales taxes.

Dick Durbin of Illinois, the second most senior Senate Democrat, will introduce the bill after the Easter recess, a Democratic aide told CNET.

"Why should out-of-state companies that sell their products online have an unfair advantage over Main Street bricks-and-mortar businesses?" Durbin said in a speech in Collinsville, Ill., in February. "Out-of-state companies that aren't paying their fair share of taxes are sticking Illinois residents and businesses with the tab."

At the moment, Americans who shop over the Internet from out-of-state vendors aren't always required to pay sales taxes at the time of purchase. Californians buying books from Amazon.com or cameras from Manhattan's B&H Photo, for example, won't pay the sales taxes at checkout time that they would if shopping at a local mall--which is what Durbin means by giving online retailers an "unfair advantage."

On the other hand, there are some 7,500 different taxing jurisdictions in the United States, each with a set of very precise rules describing what can and can't be taxed and at what rate. That makes it challenging terrain for retailers to navigate.

Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20052999-281.html#ixzz1JL903e1g

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; US: California; US: Illinois; US: New York
KEYWORDS: california; illinois; newyork; taxes; theft
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1 posted on 04/12/2011 12:55:19 PM PDT by GreaterSwiss
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To: GreaterSwiss

And why not? It’s the “holy grail” of tax bases. The dhimmicrats will never give up on it.


2 posted on 04/12/2011 1:00:14 PM PDT by rockrr ("Remember PATCO!")
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To: GreaterSwiss

How ‘bout this - drop the income tax and replace it with a national sales tax that includes internet sales.


3 posted on 04/12/2011 1:01:42 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: rockrr

Here in VA we have to report our purchases on the internet and include the cost of shipping if the term “shipping and handling” is included on the invoice.


4 posted on 04/12/2011 1:03:56 PM PDT by Perdogg (What Would Aqua Buddha do?)
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To: GreaterSwiss

Sales tax will be the death of internet sales.

In most cases it is the only reason to buy on the internet.


5 posted on 04/12/2011 1:04:29 PM PDT by dalereed
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6 posted on 04/12/2011 1:07:26 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FreeRepublic. Now, More Than Ever.)
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To: GreaterSwiss

Probably will happen. To be honest, I can’t understand why it hasn’t yet! Though I am not complaining.

It puts the local store at a disadvantage.


7 posted on 04/12/2011 1:07:26 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: rockrr

How about, we tax every moron who proposes another tax instead?


8 posted on 04/12/2011 1:10:46 PM PDT by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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To: GreaterSwiss
"Why should out-of-state companies that sell their products online have an unfair advantage over Main Street bricks-and-mortar businesses?"

So he wants to double tax people from the states that require you to pay sales tax on out of state purchases?
9 posted on 04/12/2011 1:11:09 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: GreaterSwiss

Taxes, taxes, taxes.

You make it. We take it.

Pay your fair share. April 15th is coming fast.


10 posted on 04/12/2011 1:12:34 PM PDT by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: GreaterSwiss
On the other hand, there are some 7,500 different taxing jurisdictions in the United States, each with a set of very precise rules describing what can and can't be taxed and at what rate. That makes it challenging terrain for retailers to navigate.

Oh, no worries about that! The Federal Government would be happy to take that 8 or 9 billion and divvy it up in a fair and just manner...

11 posted on 04/12/2011 1:15:59 PM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: redgolum
It puts the local store at a disadvantage.

Not necessarily when you figure in the shipping and handling charges on many internet orders.

12 posted on 04/12/2011 1:17:39 PM PDT by RINOs suck
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To: GreaterSwiss

WTF? Here is the solution: lower state taxes or get rid of them. why is the solution always to raise taxes on other sales?


13 posted on 04/12/2011 1:21:03 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: GreaterSwiss

This is the level playing field....

When you purchase on the Internet, you pay shipping fees;

When you purchase from a bricks-and-mortar store, you pay sales tax.

Besides, most of the items I purchase online are NOT available in my local area....the local merchants are not missing out on any sales because they don’t carry what I’m looking for in the first place.


14 posted on 04/12/2011 1:22:47 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (A Jimmy Carter got us a Ronald Reagan......A Barack Obama will get us a Sarah Palin)
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To: GreaterSwiss
Americans who shop over the Internet from out-of-state vendors aren't always required to pay sales taxes at the time of purchase

They are required to pay use tax if their stated has a sales tax.

15 posted on 04/12/2011 1:23:35 PM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: GreaterSwiss

Durbin is just helping his buddy Quinn out with this little pice of legislation. Amazon is shutting down all affiliates in Illinois on the 15th(or so) of this month as a FU to Illinois over their wanting sales tax from Amazon on all sales.


16 posted on 04/12/2011 1:24:36 PM PDT by lakeman (Semper Fi)
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To: GreaterSwiss

‘Senator Enzi plans to co-sponsor the Main Street Fairness bill with Senator Durbin.’

It seems neither have yet figured out Main Street is moving toward internet sales to boost their likely lackluster local sales. Even if they’re doing well locally its always good to expand your likely cliental. Why is it pols are so happy to dither in subjects they know little or nothing about. LOL< even better is why do we allow it? Ummm, do I hear snoring in the back ground??? :)


17 posted on 04/12/2011 1:24:58 PM PDT by 556x45
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To: redgolum

In my case, the local store is NOT at a disadvantage because they don’t sell the items I purchase, such as antiques and collectibles, for instance.

Many of the new items I buy are also unavailable locally.


18 posted on 04/12/2011 1:25:17 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (A Jimmy Carter got us a Ronald Reagan......A Barack Obama will get us a Sarah Palin)
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To: redgolum

sounds like a problem taxing authorities need to address on the disadvantage side. how is it that taxing other people is going to make them brick and mortar stores better? a better solution would be to make it more appealing for brick and mortar stores to exist. perhaps the owners of the stores could have their taxes lowered, so that they could be more competitive.

why is that so many politicians try to tax other people prosperity? It just doesn’t work. maybe the good people of wyoming enjoy purchasing things over the internet. if they don’t want to buy the brick and mortar stores, maybe the government of wyoming needs to make purchase is a brick and mortar stores more appealing to the consumers.


19 posted on 04/12/2011 1:27:40 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: GreaterSwiss

Speaker Boehner better step up ASAP and cut this off at the knees. Nip it in the bud.


20 posted on 04/12/2011 1:33:16 PM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

The retail association gave Durbin (Mafia) lots of donations...


21 posted on 04/12/2011 1:40:33 PM PDT by GreaterSwiss
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To: redgolum

Local stores refuse to carry what I want to buy in many cases. It’s not even a matter of price, it’s a matter of ‘cannot get locally at any price.’

I should be taxed because my local stores are run by morons and refuse to stock what I want?


22 posted on 04/12/2011 1:45:06 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: redgolum
It puts the local store at a disadvantage.

Its a different business model that market forces should be sorting out. IF there is a disadvantage, then why should the government be the profiteer of sorting out the difference when the market would do, and is doing, that quite well. Besides, government does NOT need any new monies that they just spend on crap. They need to be shrunken down to a manageable size.

23 posted on 04/12/2011 1:46:36 PM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the US safe for Global Marxism)
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To: GreaterSwiss
...to be announced "after Tax Day"

Who'da guessed?

24 posted on 04/12/2011 1:48:04 PM PDT by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: GreaterSwiss

Clean out the scum that inhabits both bodies of Congress.

These guys qualify as scum.


25 posted on 04/12/2011 1:51:05 PM PDT by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: Poison Pill
They are required to pay use tax if their state has a sales tax.

This is true, but essentially nobody actually does it.

26 posted on 04/12/2011 1:54:25 PM PDT by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: C210N
Its a different business model that market forces should be sorting out. IF there is a disadvantage, then why should the government be the profiteer of sorting out the difference when the market would do, and is doing, that quite well.

I think the argument is that the government *is* sorting out winners and losers under the current system, and this would put the government back in a "neutral" position.

That said, I don't like the bill, and would not support it unless it included substantial cuts in other taxes.

27 posted on 04/12/2011 1:57:44 PM PDT by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: Brown Deer

So as an Ebay seller I’m going to have to get sales tax licenses and send in taxes to all of these different jurisdictions? BS, aint gonna happen, see if they want to extradite me to each state for about $50/year.


28 posted on 04/12/2011 2:00:27 PM PDT by conservaterian (Sarah/DeMint '12)
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To: GreaterSwiss

Looks like another super-RINO has been unmasked!!


29 posted on 04/12/2011 2:03:02 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: GreaterSwiss

Looks like another super-RINO has been unmasked!!


30 posted on 04/12/2011 2:05:31 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

You’re always paying for shipping fees, it’s just hidden in physical stores. Much like the corporate income tax.


31 posted on 04/12/2011 2:07:14 PM PDT by conservativebuckeye
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To: GreaterSwiss

Good ole government, always wanting to stick its nose where it doesn’t belong.


32 posted on 04/12/2011 2:13:22 PM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: conservativebuckeye
You’re always paying for shipping fees, it’s just hidden in physical stores.

The shipping fees per item are not nearly the same as the cost of shipping a single item to the buyer. Besides, the internet retailer also has their hidden shipping fees.
33 posted on 04/12/2011 2:16:26 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: dalereed
Sales tax will be the death of internet sales.

In most cases it is the only reason to buy on the internet.

Which is why big-box retailers are behind the push for this.

34 posted on 04/12/2011 2:30:22 PM PDT by Spirochete (Sic transit gloria mundi)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
WTF? Here is the solution: lower state taxes or get rid of them. why is the solution always to raise taxes on other sales?

Thank you!! Fk. I want to blow my brains out the more I keep reading, hearing that raising taxes is the only fair solution to this or that.

35 posted on 04/12/2011 2:31:08 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: 5thGenTexan

This isn’t about a federal tax, it’s about congress authorizing the states to force business in other states to remit sales tax to them even thought those businesses use none of the distant states resources.

It’s just more revenue for the states to waste.

NO!


36 posted on 04/12/2011 2:33:02 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("No clever arrangement of bad eggs ever made a good omelet." ~ C.S. Lewis)
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To: GreaterSwiss

See, elections don’t matter.


37 posted on 04/12/2011 2:38:58 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: redgolum
It puts the local store at a disadvantage.

No, the local store can open a website and sell on the internet. I have both a small retail shop and a website. Very common for locals to purchase and pay online and let me know they will pick it up in person. I have "local pick up" as an option.

I also ship worldwide. Anybody with something to sell can do the same. Easy peasy.

38 posted on 04/12/2011 2:40:36 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("No clever arrangement of bad eggs ever made a good omelet." ~ C.S. Lewis)
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To: GreaterSwiss
fair

Theres that word again..It's been wafting from Dem pieholes the last week or so more than usual.

39 posted on 04/12/2011 2:45:48 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: GreaterSwiss
Insane. I live in a rural area. The things I order I can't get locally and I pay shipping and handling. Damn, will this never stop?!
40 posted on 04/12/2011 2:52:40 PM PDT by ladyvet ( I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: GreaterSwiss

These ignorant law makers do not seem to understand that the money used to purchase items has been taxed enough already.

No politician who votes for this feces will EVER get my vote.


41 posted on 04/12/2011 2:55:36 PM PDT by soycd
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To: unixfox

This has as much chance of passing the house as it does odumbo vetoing it


42 posted on 04/12/2011 3:01:41 PM PDT by italianquaker (Maobama)
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To: redgolum

who do you think IS the local store?

The internet has allowed stores that were once LIMITED to main street to branch out BEYOND the serfdom of main street.

Mom and Pop stores ARE the internet.


43 posted on 04/12/2011 3:11:48 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Precisely. I buy on the internet what I cannot purchase locally. Actually, I have never thought much of Enzi. Surely he can be replaced by another mediocrity.


44 posted on 04/12/2011 3:15:13 PM PDT by Melchior
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To: Melchior

This is about the “equalization of opportunity act” for 20th century stores to operate in a 21st century ecconomy.

Because they are old, they “deserve” a better opportunity than upstarts.

I bet there is a union protection clause in there somewhere.


45 posted on 04/12/2011 3:35:27 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: GreaterSwiss

I am already paying tax at Amazon:

“Orders Subject to Sales Tax

The amount of tax charged depends upon many factors, including the identity of the seller, the type of item purchased, and the destination of the shipment.

Items sold by Amazon.com LLC, or its subsidiaries, and shipped to destinations in the states of Kansas, Kentucky, New York, North Dakota, or Washington are subject to tax.”

http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=468512#which


46 posted on 04/12/2011 3:38:40 PM PDT by dervish (how did the Libyan rebels get tanks?)
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To: GreaterSwiss

Ok, let’s just stab the death the one thing (internet Commerce) that is helping our economy crawl along......

Politicians are money grubbing thieves, more so than the supposed “Rich Capitalists”.


47 posted on 04/12/2011 3:41:22 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
Besides, most of the items I purchase online are NOT available in my local area....the local merchants are not missing out on any sales because they don’t carry what I’m looking for in the first place.

Bingo. And conversely, a smart businessperson with a brick-and-morter store where they sell anything unusual or special can greatly increase their store sales by setting up a website.

48 posted on 04/12/2011 3:46:03 PM PDT by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd = TRUE)
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To: 6SJ7

[ Besides, most of the items I purchase online are NOT available in my local area....the local merchants are not missing out on any sales because they don’t carry what I’m looking for in the first place.

Bingo. And conversely, a smart businessperson with a brick-and-morter store where they sell anything unusual or special can greatly increase their store sales by setting up a website. ]

They can also partner through amazon for those hard to find items, I have bought many things this way through amazon...

Now congress wants to take away incentive on this too....


49 posted on 04/12/2011 3:50:21 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: dalereed

True, but increasingly there is another reason. Businesses. stores in particular, are not stocking as many products, or decreasing the number of some products, I suppose to cut down on inventory? Regardless. if you want products you are forced to get them online, or go without. This has happened to me on 4 or 5 different products. And we already report them on state tax returns, so what’s the problem?


50 posted on 04/12/2011 3:50:27 PM PDT by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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