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He Picked on the Wrong Chick(FL)
naplesnews.com ^ | 25 March, 2011 | J. Patrick Buckley

Posted on 03/26/2011 6:24:27 AM PDT by marktwain

Sometimes when you are working on a project you sit back holding your spray can and realize while you've done some good work, it just needs another coat.

It was a Friday night, shortly after 10:00 p.m.; I was sitting in the family room with my wife watching a TV program about a mathematician that helps the FBI solve crimes. The phone rang; there was a young woman on the other side that was clearly in distress. With a pen and pad in hand I started taking notes on what had occurred. When my telephone goes off in the late hours, it is most often because somebody found themselves in a self-defense engagement and used force in defense of themselves or someone else. Tonight would be no different, but this time I started laughing and during the conversation. My wife thought I was losing my mind.

On the other end of the phone was a young woman who was clearly in distress. She was speaking quickly and it sounded as though she was trying to choke back some tears. She began telling me the story of what happened, and as is often is the case, I asked her to skip some details and provide me with some very specific information. Once this information was provided I had a clear picture of what had happened. I knew right then and there she would be okay.

Missy, Jessica and Bob were heading to a friend's surprise birthday party. They did not want to arrive too early so they stopped at a local bar to talk and enjoy a cocktail before moving on. While inside, a jerk began hitting on Missy. The jerk's advances were unwelcome and Missy made it clear that she wasn't interested. The jerk was drunk and continued his advances. Bob and Jessica tried to intervene, but it was apparent that the jerk was not going to give up, and it was best they leave the bar and move on to the surprise party. So out they went. Bob was distracted as he left the bar and did not see the jerk coming up behind him towards the two girls.

When Missy turned around to look for Bob, she sees the jerk lumbering towards her and he starts calling her some very unpleasant names. She is now frightened and begins to shake. The jerk then begins to threaten her. Missy is smart. She carries a firearm in her purse and since she knew she was heading to a bar and to a party where alcohol would be consumed so she thought it was best to leave her purse in Jessica's trunk. As she approached Jessica's car, she thought about asking Jessica to open the trunk so she could retrieve her firearm to "encourage" the jerk to move onto easier prey. Then she gave some thought to the other tools available to her. In her jacket pocket was a very small wallet containing some cash, credit cards, her ID and a keychain. Attached to that keychain was a small canister of pepper spray. She reached into her jacket removed the pepper spray from its pink pleather holster, and sprayed him in the eyes and face. The jerk collapsed like an unset jello mold. He began screaming obscenities. Now Missy is pissed. While the jerk is on the ground on all fours trying to cover his face, she "gives him a second coat".

This is probably the funniest thing that I've ever heard on that emergency line. Missy, Bill and Jessica were now in the car with the doors locked. No one had called 911. Missy kept me on the phone while Jessica called 911 from her cell phone. While Jessica was calling 911, a bouncer from the bar came out and insisted that Missy get out of the car so he could speak with her. I told Missy to stay in the vehicle as the bouncer had no authority to instruct her to do anything, and she was safe in the locked car. She was to sit in the car until law enforcement arrived. Within a few minutes, three patrol cars rolled up to the bar and immediately took the jerk into custody since he thought it would be a good idea to resist their advances and to call them obscene names as well.

The police then questioned Missy, Bill and Jessica. The officer assured Missy that she did the right thing and that everything would be just fine.

That was the end of the evening for the jerk. He was brought to jail for a number of charges including disorderly conduct. Then the police told Missy that she was free to continue with her evening. She was thrilled. She really had no idea what would happen to her, and in her heart she honestly thought she would be arrested as well.

Had she discharged her firearm instead of her pepper spray, there is a good chance she would have been arrested. I will not speculate on the outcome of that scenario, but use this experience in Missy's life to once again show the value of having multiple tools in one's self-defense tool box. OC spray (pepper spray) certainly has its time and place, and one enormous benefit of hitting somebody with OC spray is that at the end of the day everyone goes home (eventually).

When the police rolled up at the bar, they saw two upset women and a guy lying on the ground screaming while trying to breath. The gals relayed a story of unwelcome advances and his attempt to follow them to their car. In the end the officer simply told the jerk that he picked on the wrong girl.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; defense; fl; pepperspray; personaldefense; selfdefense
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Pepper spray can be very effective. It is a good tool to have available.
1 posted on 03/26/2011 6:24:30 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

I am going to get some for my daughter


2 posted on 03/26/2011 6:28:19 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

I got mine a big can of Bear Repellant Spray.


3 posted on 03/26/2011 6:33:37 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (Obama Sucks)
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To: yldstrk

I got mine a big can of Bear Repellant Spray.


4 posted on 03/26/2011 6:33:37 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (Obama Sucks)
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To: yldstrk

I got mine a big can of Bear Repellant Spray.


5 posted on 03/26/2011 6:33:37 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (Obama Sucks)
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To: marktwain
Outstanding!

Where was this bouncer when the jerk was making a menace to others in the bar?

The SOB should have been tossed out on his ear long before this episode occurred.

6 posted on 03/26/2011 6:33:37 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: marktwain

Good read! Thanks for posting this.


7 posted on 03/26/2011 6:34:38 AM PDT by catbertz
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To: Northern Yankee
Probably should have re-worded that!

Where was this bouncer when the jerk was being a menace to others in the bar?

8 posted on 03/26/2011 6:35:15 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: marktwain

Great story and good judgement by all. I hope the Police explained to the jerk just how lucky he was to still be alive. Had this young lady had her CW on her when he charged she would have been right to defend herself. But good for her to have a backup in hand!

I’ve been looking into adding several cans of pepper spray along wsith some other less than lethal ammo to my emergency stores, but there are so many products out there it’s almost impossible to make a reasoned decision based on nothing more than the advertising alone.

If you were looking to buy multiple cans of the most effective and legal self-defense spray made, what would you buy?

Has anyone else stocked 12 Gage beanbag rounds and any of the other like less than lethal shotgun products??

How about pepper balls for a paintball gun?? If you’re just trying to repel a group of people you could put a lot of encouragement on them quickly that way.

Every bit of prior preparation you make is worthwhile. You never know what might come in handy some day and save you from using your last resort.


9 posted on 03/26/2011 6:37:38 AM PDT by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts!I)
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To: marktwain

Happy ending but wrong conclusion....althought he guy was a obnoxious jerk he never did anything warranting leathal force...the pepper spray was an appropriate level of force...


10 posted on 03/26/2011 6:38:03 AM PDT by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: marktwain

Who is this guy Buckley that chicks call him in the middle of the night for advice and his wife doesn’t object? I don’t like his tone—its smarmy and boorish and condescending all at once. What is he, a “self defense” instructor for women? So a guy without all of the socially acceptable equipment tried to hit on a woman, she didn’t like him and sprayed him with pepper and got him arrested. And she was thrilled the cops told her to “continue with her evening fun”. So now some sectors of society have implied rights to assault others without legal consequences. That’s what it has come down to. Some people have a lot more rights than others. And the “others” increasingly seem to be straight white males. What a society we now have. And this guy Buckley is joining the pile-on. Has he never had his advances rejected by a woman? Absolutely no empathy whatsoever with this guy? What is he, a closet queer?


11 posted on 03/26/2011 6:41:24 AM PDT by 4Runner
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To: screaminsunshine
Whenever someone mentions "bear spray", I can't help thinking and laughing at that South Park epi.
12 posted on 03/26/2011 6:42:05 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: screaminsunshine

What do you have, triplets?


13 posted on 03/26/2011 6:44:24 AM PDT by pingman (You can lead a liberal to logic, but you can't make them think.)
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To: pingman

No but my computer seems to have them.


14 posted on 03/26/2011 6:46:31 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (Obama Sucks)
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To: yldstrk
All my kids carry it. Thankfully in five years they have never had to use it.
15 posted on 03/26/2011 6:46:33 AM PDT by ladyvet ( I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: Bean Counter
"Less than Lethal"

Do you understand that when a LEO uses/deploys less that lethal force, that he has other officers beside and behind him with firearms drawn?

16 posted on 03/26/2011 6:49:03 AM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: marktwain

Is there a liberal repellant spray?


17 posted on 03/26/2011 6:50:05 AM PDT by mom.mom
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To: marktwain

She should have shot the jerks balls off anyway!>sar<


18 posted on 03/26/2011 6:52:41 AM PDT by shiva
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To: 4Runner
So a guy without all of the socially acceptable equipment tried to hit on a woman, she didn’t like him and sprayed him with pepper and got him arrested.

You might want to read the story again.

Slowly.

19 posted on 03/26/2011 6:53:37 AM PDT by PalmettoMason (It's easy being a menace to society when WAY OVER half the population is happy being sheep.)
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To: marktwain
Pepper spray can be very effective. It is a good tool to have available.

Just pay attention to the wind direction...

20 posted on 03/26/2011 6:57:25 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: 4Runner
Who is this guy Buckley that chicks call him in the middle of the night for advice and his wife doesn’t object?

Ummm....you think he might be an attorney? Anyone who carries concealed has three things with them at all times;

  1. A firearm
  2. A CCW permit
  3. Their attorney's phone number

21 posted on 03/26/2011 6:57:37 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Tyrants flourish only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.)
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To: Northern Yankee

“Where was this bouncer when the jerk was making a menace to others in the bar?”

A lot easier to take on a girl rather than some big menacing jerk.


22 posted on 03/26/2011 6:59:09 AM PDT by all the best
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To: 4Runner

That is not what happened. I advise you to reread the story. The lady was acting in self defense.


23 posted on 03/26/2011 6:59:39 AM PDT by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: 4Runner
My guess is that if he was an obnoxious drunk homo, he wouldn't have been hitting on one of the ladies.
24 posted on 03/26/2011 6:59:55 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Deaf Smith

That is not what I asked.


25 posted on 03/26/2011 7:04:31 AM PDT by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts!I)
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To: marktwain
Under close analysis, this article has all the earmarks of an enhanced or made-up story. A goodly number of details are not believable at all. I'd sure like to see the police report for the incident if one exists.

IMO, the convoluted tale is an info-mercial for pepper spray gadgets and the tale-teller owns or has a financial interest in a business selling or commercially promoting the products.

Leni

26 posted on 03/26/2011 7:05:44 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Obama....you'll have to pry my incandescent lightbulbs from my cold, dead fingers!)
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To: all the best

Apparently so.


27 posted on 03/26/2011 7:10:55 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Bean Counter
Re: "If you were looking to buy multiple cans of the most effective and legal self-defense spray made, what would you buy?"

Wasp and Hornet spray is super effective at disabling any aggressor, being it feral animal or human. It will spray a stream out to twenty feet and when it hits the facial area, it blinds and disorients the aggressor.

I keep a can in a bookcase next to my door. I also carry a Ruger SP 101 357 while at home and also have a 12 ga. pump within reach. I've been prepared for more than twenty years and have never had to resort to using them for protection, but they are kept ready. Just like a paid up insurance policy.

28 posted on 03/26/2011 7:15:05 AM PDT by rw4site (Little men want Big Government!)
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To: MinuteGal

Since you are convinced that the story is a fabrication, on what basis do you make such a claim? I should like to see your close analysis of the goodly number of details which you claim are not believable at all.


29 posted on 03/26/2011 7:15:21 AM PDT by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: MinuteGal
And your point is.

Sounds very believable to me.

30 posted on 03/26/2011 7:20:04 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: yldstrk

I am a BIG believer in pepper spray. I liked this story. My Daughter in 12 soon. I intend to train her with some great knowledge of survival.


31 posted on 03/26/2011 7:25:57 AM PDT by Chronic (Freedom isn't Free..)
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To: Bean Counter
Yes it is.

"How about pepper balls for a paintball gun?? If you’re just trying to repel a group of people"

If you want to try to repel a group of people with less than lethal, you might want to do so with back-up.

*Best spray you can legally buy? Wasp/Hornet Spray.

32 posted on 03/26/2011 7:26:41 AM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: rw4site

I like that tip. Thanks. I shall remember it!


33 posted on 03/26/2011 7:32:18 AM PDT by Chronic (Freedom isn't Free..)
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To: rw4site

“Wasp and Hornet spray is super effective at disabling any aggressor...”

I’d never thought of that. Great tip. Thanks!


34 posted on 03/26/2011 7:39:08 AM PDT by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: MinuteGal

LMAO! Sort of my thoughts too. You don’t give em no slack do you.


35 posted on 03/26/2011 8:03:04 AM PDT by Lees Swrd ("Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe and preserve order in the world as well")
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To: nevergore
the pepper spray was an appropriate level of force

Right. Even though the lady had reason to draw a firearm, that would have been - at that point - a poor decision.

Pepper spray someone, and in five years you won't much remember the incident.

Shoot someone, and it will be with you forever.

Don't misunderstand me, sometimes lethal force is the only option. But it will permanently change the lives of everyone involved, not just the criminal.

36 posted on 03/26/2011 8:03:26 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern, you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: marktwain

***Pepper spray can be very effective. It is a good tool to have available.****

I believe WASP SPRAY works also well as it has a 20 foot reach. I don’t know what law implications it might have.


37 posted on 03/26/2011 8:03:52 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Visit the TOMMY FRANKS MILITARY MUSEUM in HOBART, OK. I did, well worth it!)
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To: rw4site
Wasp and Hornet spray is super effective at disabling any aggressor

Thanks for the tip, I never knew that. I did know that when you spray a wasp nest with it, the wasps drop dead immediately.

38 posted on 03/26/2011 8:03:52 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country. The thing is, Sarah loves mine.)
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To: marktwain

Good story but where did Bob go hmmmmm? Did he run away like a little girl?

I have at my disposal: .45, Blackjack, knife and wear cowboy boots. Who needs a Bob that runs away like a little girl.


39 posted on 03/26/2011 8:11:36 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman
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To: rw4site
Wasp and Hornet spray is super effective at disabling any aggressor, being it feral animal or human.

Where did you get this info? Have you seen a demonstration? I am very curious.

40 posted on 03/26/2011 8:13:23 AM PDT by houeto (Government derives its just powers from the consent of the governed.)
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To: marktwain

I don’t know if mace and pepper spray are the same thing or not, but some 30 years ago, my friend shot a puff of that stuff into the air, in front of a Dairy Queen. We were all about 16 or so. The three of us got just a slight whiff of it and we were down on the ground for 5 minutes. Her little gag almost ruined a few people’s vanilla cones. I couldn’t image being shot in the face with that stuff!


41 posted on 03/26/2011 8:15:25 AM PDT by LittleBillyInfidel (This tagline has been formatted to fit the screen. Some content has been edited.)
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To: 4Runner

Do YOU follow women who shoot your down in bars out to the car?

I’d pepper spray you too. And I’m a guy.


42 posted on 03/26/2011 8:15:28 AM PDT by EvasiveManuever (Shakespeare got it wrong. Not the lawyers... journalists.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
I believe WASP SPRAY works also well as it has a 20 foot reach. I don’t know what law implications it might have.

Using pepper spray is a legally-defensible less-than-lethal use of force. Pepper spray is carried by LEOs who use it all the time, so there's lots of court cases where its use has been defended.

If wasp spray to the eyes causes any sort of lasting damage to the perp, be prepared for a lawsuit that will take away everything you have. You would have been better off to have shot him, especially if you're in a Stand Your Ground state.

43 posted on 03/26/2011 8:19:11 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: marktwain
In all self defense cases it is a good plan to have the police cuff the perp as soon as you can get them to. It helps the mindset of who the bad guy really is.
44 posted on 03/26/2011 8:21:46 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: marktwain

Pepper spray was my going away gift when I was young and leaving my small, safe suburban NY home for D.C.


45 posted on 03/26/2011 8:22:32 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: houeto

http://www.snopes.com/crime/prevent/waspspray.asp

http://www.google.com/search?q=use+wasp+and+hornet+spray+for+self+defense&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a


46 posted on 03/26/2011 8:24:13 AM PDT by rw4site (Little men want Big Government!)
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To: Bean Counter

Bean bags are a joke.Ask Brian Terry.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/murdered-border-patrol-agent-brian-terry-was-armed-with-beanbags/


47 posted on 03/26/2011 8:24:47 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: rw4site

You might also try a can of old fashioned oven cleaner with lye. Will eat right through clothing and cuse significant burns. Will also cause permanent blindness so don’t use unless you mean it


48 posted on 03/26/2011 8:29:53 AM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: rw4site

“Wasp and Hornet spray is super effective at disabling any aggressor,I keep a can in a bookcase next to my door.”

You may want to reconsider that:

http://personalprotection4u.blogspot.com/2009/07/i-recently-received-following-email.html

http://findinfoworld.com/blog/2011/02/02/self-defense-tools-wasp-spray-vs-pepper-spray/


49 posted on 03/26/2011 8:29:53 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Bean Counter
If you were looking to buy multiple cans of the most effective and legal self-defense spray made, what would you buy?

At Home Depot or the equivalent they sell a spray that allows you to spray wasp nests from like 20 feet away so you don't have to go near them, or if their in the eaves in your two story house or whatever. You get a whole aerosol can for like 6 bucks. MUCH cheaper and MUCH better standoff range than "official" personal protective sprays.

50 posted on 03/26/2011 8:31:40 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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