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Idaho, 6 Other States, to “Nullify” ObamaCare
Hot Air ^ | January 22, 2011 | Howard Portnoy

Posted on 02/03/2011 9:01:02 PM PST by ForGod'sSake

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To: PieterCasparzen

IL state workers do that.
My wife doesn’t pay SS on her teachers salary. Of course, that money is gone.


41 posted on 02/04/2011 5:18:22 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: ForGod'sSake

In Cooper v. Aaron the SCOTUS rejected nullification by the states.


42 posted on 02/04/2011 5:26:54 AM PST by DaGman
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To: Still Thinking

As a Canadian I have wondered how the USA could believe that the constitution envisioned ALL interpretation could turn on the views of politically appointed non-elected Justice. In this case Kennedy would be the deciding vote.


43 posted on 02/04/2011 5:33:54 AM PST by BillM
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To: DaGman

“In Cooper v. Aaron the SCOTUS rejected nullification by the states.”

And in 1851, SCOTUS affirmed the Fugutive Slave Act. We all know how that turned out.


44 posted on 02/04/2011 6:34:54 AM PST by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization and must be outlawed)
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To: DaGman
Why do we allow the Supreme Court of the United States to tell us, a free people, what powers that Court has?

What if the President were to claim that same authority?

What if Congress were to claim that same authority?

The fact is, Congress DOES have the ability to limit the jurisdiction of the Courts. That is clearly spelled out in the Constitution.

My point is only that we should not allow the institution of the Court, itself, to tell us the limits on the power that institution might or might not have.

45 posted on 02/04/2011 7:25:57 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: BenKenobi

Washington State has simply doubled down on the Obamacare.

Washington is has the third largest deficit in the country, as a percentage of it’s total budget. One of the suggestions by the governor was to cut health care benefits to illegals and low income wage earners who have no employer paid health care.

Yesterday, they announced that this was off the table because Obamacare would pick up the costs in 2014.


46 posted on 02/04/2011 7:52:49 AM PST by Eva
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To: ForGod'sSake

thank you


47 posted on 02/04/2011 8:04:48 AM PST by phockthis
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To: ForGod'sSake

sfl


48 posted on 02/04/2011 8:05:38 AM PST by phockthis
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To: ForGod'sSake
It is settled law that states can nullify the fedgov.

We fought a nasty little war over it in fact.

49 posted on 02/04/2011 8:23:29 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: ForGod'sSake

Nullification is the approach the pro-life movement ought to have adopted, on January 23, 1973. Instead, years and years and years were wasted on a Human Life Amendment—essentially conceding that the Supreme Court’s “interpretation” of the Constitution had some semblance of a suggestion of a wisp of a hint of an emanation of a penumbra of a basis in the text of the Constitution—that was never a possibility.

When government hands down a command to commit a crime, the morally and Constitutionally sound reponse is Nullification. The Supreme Court, for the past 38 years, has commanded the governors and legislatures of the states to commit the crime of excluding a class of human beings from those whose lives are protected by law and by the police power of the state. I.e., the crime of deadly, unjust discrimination.


50 posted on 02/04/2011 8:59:18 AM PST by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: ForGod'sSake

Nullification is the approach the pro-life movement ought to have adopted, on January 23, 1973. Instead, years and years and years were wasted on a Human Life Amendment—essentially conceding that the Supreme Court’s “interpretation” of the Constitution had some semblance of a suggestion of a wisp of a hint of an emanation of a penumbra of a basis in the text of the Constitution—that was never a possibility.

When government hands down a command to commit a crime, the morally and Constitutionally sound response is Nullification. The Supreme Court, for the past 38 years, has commanded the governors and legislatures of the states to commit the crime of excluding a class of human beings from those whose lives are protected by law and by the police power of the state. I.e., the crime of deadly, unjust discrimination.


51 posted on 02/04/2011 8:59:42 AM PST by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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...does an individual citizen have standing to sue the state and force them not to spend any money?

You got me friend, but my guess would be the courts would probably find a way to deny any standing for the proles. JMO of course. Maybe some FR legel eagles will step forward and offer an opinion.

52 posted on 02/04/2011 9:04:00 AM PST by ForGod'sSake (You have only two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!!!)
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To: DaGman
In Cooper v. Aaron the SCOTUS rejected nullification by the states.

Is it your opinion the SCOTUS is infallible? Or that it's inconceivable they could build a house of judicial incongruities by setting bad precedent upon bad precedent? That's the libtard way you know. The judiciary is one leg of the three legged stool that is the feral government, notwithstanding what Chuckie Schumer has to say about it. Is there the potential for conflicts of interest to develop between the federal stool(heh, a pun) and the ones who created it; the states and the people? If you accept that premise, just which side do you think the federal courts will most likely join with?

As the creators of the feral government, We The People and The States have an obligation and a duty to keep the feral government on course don't we? Can we rely on one branch of the feral government to protect our rights completely and at all times? Of course not. The founders realized this and had numerous discussions about it. Their thoughts generally were that the states in particular had the wherewithal to keep the federal beast at bay. One thing the Founders may not have foreseen was the income tax which basically allows the federales to play their own misbegotten version of Robin Hood and has allowed them to beget all manner of malfeasance.

So, it's up to us AND what's left of the considerable resources of the states to hit the reset button. You can rely on the courts entirely if you want to but it has the effect of jeopardizing my freedoms. That's not a good thing for the rest of us.

53 posted on 02/04/2011 9:41:10 AM PST by ForGod'sSake (You have only two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!!!)
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To: phockthis
thank you

You're welcome!

54 posted on 02/04/2011 9:43:25 AM PST by ForGod'sSake (You have only two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!!!)
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To: Arthur McGowan

GREAT points! You’ve got to admit, our feral government at all levels and branches have succeeded in laying the foundation of their perceived omnipotence. I pray WE will present them an epiphany when, and if, we are able to have a come to Jesus meeting with them. They have crapped on us long enough.


55 posted on 02/04/2011 9:54:54 AM PST by ForGod'sSake (You have only two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!!!)
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To: ForGod'sSake
Their thoughts generally were that the states in particular had the wherewithal to keep the federal beast at bay.

Yes, when you think about it, Constitutionally, the SCOTUS and Congress have no significant personnel to protect themselves from the pitchforks. The SCOTUS has the duty of judging the Constitutionality of laws passed by Congress and the State legislatures. The SCOTUS relies on the Executive Branch to physically enforce it's interpretations. It's a rather sticky situation and intentionally so for situations like this health care nightmare.

It seems that many people are very adamant that nullification is wrong and the idea has been thrown out with the bathwater, but the Constitution is very concise and therefore purposely allows for all sorts of contention. Nullification is just part of the process...

The worst enemy of any particular right of our citizens is really when our citizens lose interest in that particular right.
56 posted on 02/04/2011 12:45:40 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (Huguenot)
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To: ForGod'sSake
Descriptive, no?

Frighteningly so, unfortunately.

57 posted on 02/04/2011 1:11:10 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: PieterCasparzen
Good points all. I would like to add a caveat to my post you replied to for purposes of clarification. WITH THE ADDITION of the BOR to our Constitution, most of the Founders felt they had retained enough powers, particularly within the 9th and 10th Amendments for the states to be able to deal effectively with an overreaching feral government. The language of these two amendments and the Constitution generally are clear enough that your average 6th grader can understand them. It's the constitutional scholars that seem to have problems with penumbras, emanations and the like.

We are being legalesed to death by a system created and maintained by our would be masters. A maze built by and for Rats so they would be the only ones able to navigate within it effectively. They have led many to believe the "law", and coincidentally our Constitution, are just too complicated for mere working stiffs. We will have to change that perception and destroy the maze as we rebuild our republic.

Thanks for your reply.

58 posted on 02/04/2011 5:44:02 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (You have only two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!!!)
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To: PieterCasparzen
The SCOTUS has the duty of judging the Constitutionality of laws passed by Congress and the State legislatures.

Only in the sense that they must judge it concerning the particular cases in front of them.

Constitutionally, they were never granted the veto. That is reserved to the Executive.

59 posted on 02/04/2011 5:49:47 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Is a child a person? Of course. Which is why we MUST ban abortion NOW. Read the 14th Amendment...)
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Thanks ForGod'sSake. Sidebars: -and-
60 posted on 02/04/2011 6:02:09 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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