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Will Obama Lose Egypt? (really "must read" -- context)
Investor's Business Daily ^ | Jan 28, 2011 | IBD Editorial

Posted on 01/28/2011 5:19:52 PM PST by Innovative

An Ally Imperiled: What Egyptians are demonstrating against, whether they know it or not, is socialism. What they - and we - could end up with is another Iran. Is President Obama repeating Carter's Shah betrayal?

Three decades ago, Iran - after being saved from Soviet dominance by the U.S. in 1953 - traded in the flawed autocratic rule of the Shah for the bloodthirsty Islamist fanaticism of the Ayatollah Khomeini.

At the time, Jimmy Carter's presidency was, in the name of "human rights," on the side of the Islamists.

Does the Obama administration realize the difference between freedom-based revolutions and violent overthrows that will help jihadists?

In 2009, the Egyptian daily Almasry Alyoum reported that President Obama secretly met in Washington that year with representatives of Egypt's jihadist Muslim Brotherhood, the Hamas ally that, while banned, dominates the opposition in the country.

(Excerpt) Read more at investors.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; context; egypt; egyptcrisis; ibd; ibdeditorial; iran; islamists; jihad; mubarak; muslimbrotherhood; mustread; obama; theproject
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This is exactly what I am afraid of.

Just remember that when the people of Iran protested against the brutal Islamic rule of the Mullah, Obama was silent, didn't warn the Iran government to stop using force against the demonstrators...

1 posted on 01/28/2011 5:19:54 PM PST by Innovative
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To: Innovative
Obama isn't losing Egypt. He is TAKING it and giving it to his islamist overlords in the Muslim Brotherhood.


2 posted on 01/28/2011 5:30:48 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

I think Obama is handling this about as badly as anyone could. Which is to really say what you said — he’s giving Egypt over to those who desire our destruction.


3 posted on 01/28/2011 5:33:04 PM PST by ClearCase_guy ("Borrowing a trillion is compassionate, cutting a billion is heartless." -- VDH)
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To: ClearCase_guy

He is a hard core islamist out to destroy America. Wake up. I think some people on FR are asleep or clueless.


4 posted on 01/28/2011 5:35:59 PM PST by Frantzie (Slaves do not have freedom only the illusion of freedom & their cable TV to drool at)
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To: Innovative

5 posted on 01/28/2011 5:38:15 PM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: ClearCase_guy
That was his intention.

Here is something educated and uneducated Americans should consider, the Muslim Brotherhood’s ahead of schedule agenda discovered in 1991:

Islamic invasion of America: The 20 Point Plan

This sums up the Muslim Brotherfood project in America quite succinctly. On November 7, 2001 international law enforcement authorities and Western intelligence agencies discovered a twenty-year old document revealing a top-secret plan developed by the oldest Islamist organization with one of the most extensive terror networks in the world to launch a program of “cultural invasion” and eventual conquest of the West that virtually mirrors the tactics used by Islamists for more than two decades.

Since that time information about this document, known in counterterrorism circles as “The Project”, and discussion regarding its content has been limited to the top-secret world of Western intelligence communities. Only through the work of an intrepid Swiss journalist, Sylvain Besson of Le Temps, and his book published in October 2005 in France, La conquête de l’Occident: Le projet secret des Islamistes (The Conquest of the West: The Islamists’ Secret Project), has information regarding The Project finally been made public. One Western official cited by Besson has described The Project as “a totalitarian ideology of infiltration which represents, in the end, the greatest danger for European societies.”

[...]

Included in the documents seized during the raid of Nada’s Swiss villa was a 14-page plan written in Arabic and dated December 1, 1982, which outlines a 12-point strategy to “establish an Islamic government on earth” – identified as The Project. According to testimony given to Swiss authorities by Nada, the unsigned document was prepared by “Islamic researchers” associated with the Muslim Brotherhood.

If you want to read more of the Muslim Brotherhood project go here.

U.S. Arab-American author outlines secret 20-year strategy to undermine countryWND
A refugee from the Muslim Middle East thinks he has discovered Islam’s 20-point plan for conquering the United States by 2020

Anis Shorrosh, author of ‘’Islam Revealed’’ and ‘’The True Furqan,’’ is a Christian Arab-American who emigrated from Arab-controlled Jerusalem in January 1967.

‘’The following is my analysis of Islamic invasion of America, the agenda of Islamists and visible methods to take over America by the year 2020,’’ Shorrosh says. ‘’Will Americans continue to sleep through this invasion as they did when we were attacked on 9/11?’’

1. Terminate America’s freedom of speech by replacing it with statewide and nationwide hate-crime bills.

2. Wage a war of words using black leaders like Louis Farrakhan, Rev. Jesse Jackson and other visible religious personalities who promote Islam as the religion of African-Americans while insisting Christianity is for whites only. What they fail to tell African-Americans is that it was Arab Muslims who captured them and sold them as slaves. In fact, the Arabic word for black and slave is the same, ‘’Abed.’’

3. Engage the American public in dialogues, discussions, debates in colleges, universities, public libraries, radio, TV, churches and mosques on the virtues of Islam. Proclaim how it is historically another religion like Judaism and Christianity with the same monotheistic faith.

4. Nominate Muslim sympathizers to political office to bring about favorable legislation toward Islam and support potential sympathizers by block voting.

5. Take control of as much of Hollywood, the press, TV, radio and the Internet as possible by buying the related corportations or a controlling stock.(This is already happening with Major media stations.)

6. Yield to the fear of the imminent shut-off of the lifeblood of America – black gold. America’s economy depends on oil and 41 percent of it comes from the Middle East.

7. Yell ‘’foul, out-of-context, personal interpretation, hate crime, Zionist, un- American, inaccurate interpretation of the Quran’’ anytime Islam is criticized or the Quran is analyzed in the public arena.

8. Encourage Muslims to penetrate the White House, specifically with Islamists who can articulate a marvelous and peaceful picture of Islam. Acquire government positions and get membership in local school boards. Train Muslims a medical doctors to dominate the medical field, research and pharmaceutical l companies (Ever notice how numerous Muslim doctors in America are, when their countries need them more desperately than America?) Take over the computer industry. Establish Middle Eastern restaurants throughout the U.S. to connect planners of Islamization in a discreet way.

9. Accelerate Islamic demographic growth via:

* Massive immigration (100,000 annually since 1961).

* Use no birth control whatsoever – every baby of Muslim parents is automatically a Muslim and cannot choose another religion later.

* Muslim men must marry American women and Islamize them (10,000 annually). Then divorce them and remarry every five years – since one can’t legally marry four at one time. This is a legal solution in America.

* Convert angry, alienated black inmates and turn them into militants (so far 2,000 released inmates have joined al-Qaida worldwide). Only a few ‘’sleeper cells’’ have been captured in Afghanistan and on American soil.

10. Reading, writing, arithmetic and research through the American educational system, mosques and student centers (now 1,500) should be sprinkled with dislike of Jews, evangelical Christians and democracy. There are currently 300 exclusively Muslim schools in the U.S. which teach loyalty to the Quran, not the U.S. Constitution. In January of 2002, Saudi Arabia’s Embassy in Washington mailed 4,500 packets of the Quran and videos promoting Islam to America’s high schools – free of charge. Saudi Arabia would not allow the U.S. to reciprocate.

11. Provide very sizeable monetary Muslim grants to colleges and universities in America to establish ‘’Centers for Islamic studies’’ with Muslim directors to promote Islam in higher-education institutions.

12. Let the entire world know through propaganda, speeches, seminars, local and national media that terrorists have hijacked Islam, when in truth, Islam hijacked the terrorists.

13. Appeal to the historically compassionate and sensitive Americans for sympathy and tolerance towards Muslims in America who are portrayed as mainly immigrants from oppressed countries.

14. Nullify America’s sense of security by manipulating the intelligence community with misinformation. Periodically terrorize Americans with reports of impending attacks on bridges, tunnels, water supplies, airports, apartment buildings and malls.

15. Form riots and demonstrations in the prison system demanding Islamic Sharia as the way of life, not America’s justice system.

16. Open numerous charities throughout the U.S., but use the funds to support Islamic terrorism with American dollars.

17. Raise interest in Islam on America’s campuses by insisting freshman take at least one course on Islam.

18. Unify the numerous Muslim lobbies in Washington, mosques, Islamic student centers, educational organizations, magazines and papers by Internet and an annual convention to coordinate plans, propagate the faith and engender news in the media.

19. Send intimidating messages and messengers to the outspoken individuals who are critical of Islam and seek to eliminate them by hook or crook.

20. Applaud Muslims as loyal citizens of the U.S. by spotlighting their voting record as the highest percentage of all minority and ethic groups in America.

AND, unnoticed like Bin Laden’s declaration of war on the US in 1996, the MB has declared war on the US in the last few weeks...Rubin’s article on the matter:

The Region: The declaration of war that went unnoticed
By BARRY RUBIN
10/10/2010 23:29

The Muslim Brotherhood recently called for jihad on the US and Israel, adopting a view almost identical to al-Qaida’s. Talkbacks (1)

Here’s something important: The Muslim Brotherhood’s leader has endorsed anti-American jihad and a view virtually identical to al-Qaida’s ideology. Since the Brotherhood is the main opposition in Egypt and Jordan and the most powerful group in Muslim communities of Europe and North America, this is serious stuff.

Does that mean all these branches are going to launch terror attacks, as one affiliate, Hamas, has long done? Not necessarily.

RELATED:
Egyptian TV show stirs debate over Muslim Brotherhood
The Region: An offer he had to refuse

But hundreds of thousands of Brotherhood followers are being given a signal. Some will engage in terrorism; others will redouble efforts to seize control of countries and turn them into bases for war on the West.

The Brotherhood is the group that often dominates Muslim communities and runs mosques in the West. Its front groups are often courted by Western governments and media.

Yet here is the Brotherhood’s new supreme guide, Muhammad Badi giving a sermon entitled, “How Islam Confronts the Oppression and Tyranny,” translated by MEMRI in which he says:

• Arab and Muslim regimes betray their people unless they confront not only Israel but also the US. Waging jihad against both is mandatory for all Muslims. Otherwise, “They are disregarding Allah’s commandment to wage jihad... so that Allah’s word will reign supreme” over all non-Muslims.

• All Muslims are required by their religion to fight as their highest priority, since “the improvement and change that the [Muslim] nation seeks can only be attained through jihad and sacrifice, and by raising a jihadi generation that pursues death just as its enemies pursue life.”

• The US is easy to defeat through violence, since it is “experiencing the beginning of its end and is heading toward its demise.”

• Palestinians should back Hamas in overthrowing the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and unite in waging war on Israel.

• Rational calculations applied by the West to adversaries, assuming Muslims won’t act in a revolutionary and even suicidal manner, want a better future for their children, etc., don’t apply to the Islamist movement: “Allah said: ‘The hosts will all be routed and will turn and flee’ (Koran 54:45). This verse is a promise to the believers that they shall defeat their enemies... and that through Allah you shall triumph... The outcome of the confrontation has been predetermined by Allah.”

Thus, it doesn’t matter how long the battle lasts or its cost in destruction and death, you should go on fighting.

IN THE real world, Islamists are unlikely to win over, say, 50 or 100 years. But those views mean these 50 or 100 years are going to be filled with instability and bloodshed. Muslims don’t have to agree with Badi’s views, yet hundreds of thousands will, and millions will cheer them.

There’s even more food for thought in Badi’s speech.

“Resistance is the only solution... The United States cannot impose an agreement upon the Palestinians, despite all the power at its disposal. [Today] it is withdrawing from Iraq, defeated and wounded, and is also on the verge of withdrawing from Afghanistan” because it has been defeated by Islamist warriors.

First, US efforts that seem to be succeeding at brokering Israel-Palestinian peace would only spark more violence, not less, as Islamists seek to defeat them. Desirable as peace or even progress toward peace might be, the West should have no illusions about those things providing regional stability; they will produce more instability.

Second, US apologies, concessions and withdrawals are interpreted by Islamists and many in the Middle East as signs of weakness, which spark further aggression and violence.

Note that it is precisely fear of a tough opponent thet keeps Badi from saying anything about fighting Egypt’s government, which won’t hesitate to throw Brotherhood leaders in prison and even torture them.

STILL, THE coming leadership transition in Egypt, with the death or retirement of President Husni Mubarak, seems to offer opportunities. The new harder line coincides with the Brotherhood’s announcement that it will run candidates in the November elections – another sign of its confidence and increased militancy.

The Brotherhood is not a legal group, but the government lets members run in other parties. Its candidates won about 20 percent of the vote in the last elections – especially impressive given the regime’s repressive measures. If the Brotherhood intends to defy Egyptian law now, there will be confrontations, mass arrests and perhaps violence.

Most important, however, Badi and many others sense weakness on the part of the West, especially the US leaders, and victory for the Islamists.

Even former British prime minister Tony Blair is warning about such things. Blair comes from the British Labor Party. Many conservatives understand these issues. But the West can never respond successfully without a broader consensus about the nature of the threat and the need for a strong response. Where are Blair’s counterparts in the left-of-center forces in North America, the kind of people who played such a critical role in confronting and defeating the previous wave of anti-democratic extremism, communism?

This new hard line signals:

1. Increased internal conflict in Egypt, the start of a decade-long struggle for power in the Arabic-speaking world’s most important country.

2. The likelihood that more Brotherhood supporters in the West will turn to violence and fund-raising for terrorism.

3. The true nature of the radical indoctrination – preparing people for future extremism and terrorism – in the mosques and groups they control.

4. A probable upturn in anti-American terrorist attacks in the Middle East and Europe.

In August 1996, al-Qaida declared war on America, the West, Christians and Jews. Nobody important paid much attention. Almost exactly five years later, September 11 forced them to notice. Let it be said that in September 2010 the Muslim Brotherhood, a group with 100 times more activists than al-Qaida, issued its declaration of war. What remains is the history of the future.

The writer is director of the Global Research in International Affairs Center and editor of Middle East Review of International Affairs and Turkish Studies. He blogs at www.rubinreports.blogspot.com

6 posted on 01/28/2011 5:39:53 PM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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I think some people on FR are asleep or clueless.

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I wonder what her handle is now that it has been shown that she freeps?

7 posted on 01/28/2011 5:43:04 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Innovative

Whatta messiah! From Sputnik moment to Carter moment in three short days.


8 posted on 01/28/2011 5:44:43 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (BYOST -- bring your own sark tag. Thank you.)
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To: B4Ranch

All I can say is this, should Islamic extremists do openly declare war against Christians in America I hope they keep on wearing those face wraps.

And I suggest those in colder climates to NOT do the same, friendly fire is a beoyich.


9 posted on 01/28/2011 5:45:10 PM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: ClearCase_guy

He’s just following in Jimmy’s footsteps, but leaning to the Muslim side rather than the strongman side this time. The outcome will be the same.


10 posted on 01/28/2011 5:51:00 PM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: Innovative
There is no pleasing some people.

When our Illustrious Beloved POTUS wisely kept the U.S. out of the internal affairs of an unfriendly, but beleaguered, regime, he was “disconnected”, or “aloof”, or “indifferent” to the aspirations of what was in fact, a radical mob.

Now that Mister—make that PROFESSOR—Obama speaks (via surrogates) firmly, fairly, and (almost) unequivocally with an ally in the throes of popular regime change, led by democracy loving downtrodden masses, these same voices are raised in criticism!

Just because the same groups—Peace Loving Moderate Adherents of Islam—benefit in both case, hateful voices from the conspiracy theory laden hard Right Wing of American politics—so far right, even the Republican Party doesn't embrace them—are again heard spewing hate filled vitriol and opprobrium on our Beloved, well nuanced, highly articulate TOTUS!

11 posted on 01/28/2011 5:52:42 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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To: Frantzie

Most of the people on FR are not clueless — Congress is.


12 posted on 01/28/2011 5:57:06 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: Frantzie

What are we supposed to do? We’re getting the word out about Obama and his “administration”, voting, donating, and doing everything in our power to point out the absurdities of Obama. The sleepers are mostly in the media and living in the “La La Land” of Globull Warming.


13 posted on 01/28/2011 6:15:09 PM PST by Twinkie (LEFTIST FREE SPEECH GOOD. - CONSERVATIVE FREE SPEECH BAD.)
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To: B4Ranch
"5. Take control of as much of Hollywood, the press, TV, radio and the Internet as possible by buying the related corportations or a controlling stock."

Total and complete bull$hit.

There was no internet in 1982...or 1992 for that matter.

14 posted on 01/28/2011 7:20:59 PM PST by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Frantzie; Rca2000
He is a hard core islamist out to destroy America. Wake up. I think some people on FR are asleep or clueless.
br> I believe it. Carter was inept but with this guy in office, "it is all part of 'The Big Plan.'"

Ever have those days where the world is going down the crapper?
15 posted on 01/28/2011 7:50:38 PM PST by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Innovative
In the Pulitzer-winning history of al-Qaida, "The Looming Tower," Lawrence Wright notes that Zawahiri's "strategy was to force the Egyptian regime to become even more repressive, to make the people hate it. In this he succeeded."

Need I mention what political group favors that strategy?

16 posted on 01/28/2011 7:56:08 PM PST by danielmryan
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To: Innovative

17 posted on 01/28/2011 7:59:36 PM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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mark


18 posted on 01/28/2011 8:17:49 PM PST by Dedbone
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To: Innovative

Eygpt would have probably been lost with or without Barry.

The problem is Barry views what was inevitable as a victory not a loss.


19 posted on 01/28/2011 8:24:09 PM PST by Biblebelter
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To: Innovative
Egypt's jihadist Muslim Brotherhood, the Hamas ally that, while banned...

Obummer just lifted the ban - the MB leader has now been cleared to reenter the US. = bethca he wont get sexually molested at the airport either.

Does anyone get a bit concerned about the coincidence of what's happening in Egypt and this ban being lifted at the same time?

20 posted on 01/28/2011 8:50:56 PM PST by maine-iac7
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