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Was Genghis Khan history's greenest conqueror?
Mother Nature Network ^ | 24 January 2011 | Bryan Nelson

Posted on 01/24/2011 3:54:27 PM PST by Fractal Trader

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To: DBrow
Was likely tripping and listening to this while writing the column. The only explanation I can come up with.

Next, the Khmer Rouge was the the greenest faction ever, hooray!!!
21 posted on 01/24/2011 4:23:06 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: Fractal Trader

Sick and wrong. Don’t they even bother to hide their genocidal fetish anymore?


22 posted on 01/24/2011 4:23:33 PM PST by Moose Burger
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To: PzLdr

re: #17: Excellent points. Nice to see someone who knows their history!


23 posted on 01/24/2011 4:24:34 PM PST by Longdriver
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To: Longdriver

His grandson, Hulegu, brither of two Qa Quans, Mongke and Qublai, did better. He sacked Bagdhad in 1258, ended the Abbasid Caliphate [along with the Caliph], and exterminated the sect of the Assasins. He founded the Il-Quanate of Persia.

Hulegu was a Buddhist. His wife was a Nestorian Christian.


24 posted on 01/24/2011 4:28:45 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: MNDude

I really don’t know. I don’t try to understand these weirdos. For some reason, they never themselves as being on the slate for being “made redundant.”

You do now there is a Voluntary Extinction Movement?
And another guide for the freaks is the “Georgia Guidestones.” Principles number one and two are pretty interesting:

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.

To put it mildly, I really hate the eco-fascist movement.


25 posted on 01/24/2011 4:28:56 PM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“Genghis Khan must have needed a lot of horses that produced a lot of carbon, especially running around a lot.”

I just finished a 1928 tome on Ghengis Khan and the Mongol conquests. It’s estimated that his armies were in the range of 300,000 in size total. Each warrior had a string of ponies. In the distance runs they could travel 100 miles/day as a unit by changing horses.

It’s not inconceivable that in the first few years of conquest the Mongols went through a few million ponies.


26 posted on 01/24/2011 4:28:59 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: PzLdr

True, but GK built, from less than scratch, the state and army that Uggedai used to complete his conquests.


27 posted on 01/24/2011 4:30:17 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Longdriver

“He knew that the best way to deal with this asinine culture was Total, Complete Annihilation”

It wasn’t a religious genocide the Khan was after, it was about total submission. Only the cities that did not submit to his authority and agree to pay tribute were leveled and all living beings put to death. (except for the doll-baby women, craftsman and scholars who went into the Khan’s service)


28 posted on 01/24/2011 4:32:57 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Longdriver
His grandson, Hulegu, brother of two Qa Quans, Mongke and Qublai, did better. He sacked Bagdhad in 1258, ended the Abbasid Caliphate [along with the Caliph], and exterminated the sect of the Assassins. He founded the Il-Quanate of Persia.

Hulegu was a Buddhist. His wife was a Nestorian Christian.

29 posted on 01/24/2011 4:34:52 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: PzLdr

OTOH, they seem to have brought the Black Death to the whole Eastern Hemisphere, which could’ve had a higher body count than all the conflicts.


30 posted on 01/24/2011 4:35:52 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Punish Success, Reward Failure. Destroying America is the point.)
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To: PzLdr

Found out in the book I just read that a line of Mongols survived as a sovereign kingdom and became a Moghul empire in northern India which was not forced into submission until the 1800’s by the British. 600 years is a long run.


31 posted on 01/24/2011 4:38:07 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Fractal Trader

I really prefer Shaka Khan...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81QDKnV36TE


32 posted on 01/24/2011 4:38:31 PM PST by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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To: mojito

The 40M that this article claims for the Mongols is quite possibly low. However, it is relevant that even this number was something like 10% of the world’s total population at the time. An equivalent today would be something north of 600M.

BTW, the Mongols ended civilization over large areas of Asia. Much of Central Asia, Iran and Iraq had been densely populated and hosting thriving civilizations continuously for thousands of years, based on irrigation. In the case of Iraq for something like 5000 years.

Conquerors came through every century or so, destroying the irrigation systems. These were quickly rebuilt by the peasants.

The Mongols had a more direct approach. They destroyed the irrigation systems and killed all the people, quite possibly upwards of 80% of the population of Central Asia, Iran and Iraq. With nobody left to rebuild the irrigation systems, these areas collapsed and have never fully recovered.

It is amusing that western historians focus on the death and destruction of the crusades, taking place at about the same time. By comparison to the Mongol impact on Islam, the Crusaders were an itsy-bitsy flea bite.


33 posted on 01/24/2011 4:39:31 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: wxgesr
I really prefer Shaka Khan...

did you know Prince wrote that song for Chaka Khan?

34 posted on 01/24/2011 4:39:40 PM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: Fractal Trader

Is there anybody here that didn’t know widespread depopulation has been the goal all along?

Satan hates humanity


35 posted on 01/24/2011 4:42:03 PM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: latina4dubya

“Did you know Prince wrote that song for Chaka Khan?”

No, but thanks for sharing!!

I like Prince Khan as well!


36 posted on 01/24/2011 4:42:18 PM PST by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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To: latina4dubya

And then there is always King Khan...

http://www.hazelwood.de/kingkhan/index.php

No Regrets!!!


37 posted on 01/24/2011 4:47:46 PM PST by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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To: PzLdr

This is why the Greens like Islam.


38 posted on 01/24/2011 4:50:12 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Fractal Trader
The reality may be a bit difficult for today's environmentalists to stomach, but Khan did it the same way he built his empire — with a high body count.

Actually, that's exactly what they have in mind.

State-run media just wants to pretend that it isn't.

39 posted on 01/24/2011 4:51:09 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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To: JimSEA

Just remember the central tenet of enviro-religion theology:

Humanity is a virus infecting the Earth Mother Goddess Gaia. Some greenies support a genocide campaign to reduce the global population down to no more than 100 million. OK, greenies, you first. Set the leadership example.


40 posted on 01/24/2011 4:53:00 PM PST by Fred Hayek (FUBO! I salute you with the soles of my shoes.)
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