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Was Genghis Khan history's greenest conqueror?
Mother Nature Network ^ | 24 January 2011 | Bryan Nelson

Posted on 01/24/2011 3:54:27 PM PST by Fractal Trader

Genghis Khan's Mongol invasion in the 13th and 14th centuries was so vast that it may have been the first instance in history of a single culture causing man-made climate change, according to new research out of the Carnegie Institution's Department of Global Ecology, reports Mongabay.com. Earn Points What's this?

Comments (21) Email Facebook Twitter Stumble Digg Share Unlike modern day climate change, however, the Mongol invasion actually cooled the planet, effectively scrubbing around 700 million tons of carbon from the atmosphere.

So how exactly did Genghis Khan, one of history's cruelest conquerors, earn such a glowing environmental report card? The reality may be a bit difficult for today's environmentalists to stomach, but Khan did it the same way he built his empire — with a high body count.

Over the course of the century and a half run of the Mongol Empire, about 22 percent of the world's total land area had been conquered and an estimated 40 million people were slaughtered by the horse-driven, bow-wielding hordes. Depopulation over such a large swathe of land meant that countless numbers of cultivated fields eventually returned to forests.

In other words, one effect of Genghis Khan's unrelenting invasion was widespread reforestation, and the re-growth of those forests meant that more carbon could be absorbed from the atmosphere.

"It's a common misconception that the human impact on climate began with the large-scale burning of coal and oil in the industrial era," said Julia Pongratz, who headed the Carnegie Institution research project. "Actually, humans started to influence the environment thousands of years ago by changing the vegetation cover of the Earth's landscapes when we cleared forests for agriculture."

Pongratz's study, which was completed with the help of her Carnegie colleague Ken Caldeira, as well as with German colleagues at the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology, measured the carbon impact of a number of historical events besides just the Mongol invasion, including the Black Death in Europe, the fall of China's Ming Dynasty and the conquest of the Americas.

What all of these events share in common is the widespread return of forests after a period of massive depopulation, but the longevity of the Mongol invasion made it stand out as having the biggest impact on the world's climate.

"We found that during the short events such as the Black Death and the Ming Dynasty collapse, the forest re-growth wasn't enough to overcome the emissions from decaying material in the soil," explained Pongratz. "But during the longer-lasting ones like the Mongol invasion... there was enough time for the forests to re-grow and absorb significant amounts of carbon."

The 700 million tons of carbon absorbed as a result of the Mongol invasions roughly equals the amount of carbon global society now produces annually from gasoline.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: genghiskhan; genocide; godsgravesglyphs; mongolmassmurderers; mongols
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1 posted on 01/24/2011 3:54:29 PM PST by Fractal Trader
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To: steelyourfaith; SunkenCiv

A GGG/Gobal Warming two-fer!


2 posted on 01/24/2011 3:55:30 PM PST by Fractal Trader
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To: Fractal Trader
So. The “green lobby” is in favor of another Geghis and another 40 million deaths?

But I'm sure that wouldn't be a high enough body count for the greens today.

I'm sure they advocated something on the order of...two or three hundred million.

3 posted on 01/24/2011 3:59:10 PM PST by mojito
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To: Fractal Trader

Genghis Kahn: Population Controller.


4 posted on 01/24/2011 4:00:22 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Fractal Trader

OK, read the excerpt.

Did the price of crack or acid come down recently? Or is this bath salts at work?


5 posted on 01/24/2011 4:04:06 PM PST by DBrow
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To: mojito

More like killing off 6,800,000,000 to save Gaia.


6 posted on 01/24/2011 4:05:09 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: Fractal Trader

“Was Genghis Khan history’s greenest conqueror?”

I don’t know....ask John F’in Kerry. He’s the Genjis Khan
expert.


7 posted on 01/24/2011 4:06:09 PM PST by Fireone (Liberals are just overschooled, undereducated, adult children.)
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To: Fractal Trader

is this a satire? I don’t think it’s supposed to be :(


8 posted on 01/24/2011 4:07:54 PM PST by MNDude
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To: Fractal Trader
The reality may be a bit difficult for today's environmentalists to stomach, but Khan did it the same way he built his empire — with a high body count.

The author doesn't seem to have a very clear perception of environmentalists. A high body count is no problem for them.

9 posted on 01/24/2011 4:08:59 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Fractal Trader

Genghis Khan must have needed a lot of horses that produced a lot of carbon, especially running around a lot.


10 posted on 01/24/2011 4:10:12 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: MNDude

No. It is NOT a satire.


11 posted on 01/24/2011 4:10:55 PM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Fractal Trader
Depopulation = Green.

Welp.

They finally admitted it.

They are simply Nazis, and we are ALL Jews.

12 posted on 01/24/2011 4:11:03 PM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, than Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: Fractal Trader; FrPR; enough_idiocy; meyer; Normandy; Whenifhow; TenthAmendmentChampion; Clive; ...
Thanx Fractal Trader !

 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

13 posted on 01/24/2011 4:14:44 PM PST by steelyourfaith (ObamaCare Death Panels: a Final Solution to the looming Social Security crisis ?)
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To: Lazamataz

Can I be a Romanian Gypsy instead? The result will be the same but the outfits are cooler.


14 posted on 01/24/2011 4:15:41 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Jubtabulously We Thrive!)
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To: Fractal Trader

This theory makes Stalin a pretty good environmentalist (25 million killed). And we know that the Greens admire and respect him.


15 posted on 01/24/2011 4:16:12 PM PST by mgpilot
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To: Fractal Trader

I’m hoping this qualifies as permission to create 40 million leftist martyrs for the cause.


16 posted on 01/24/2011 4:18:25 PM PST by Soothesayer (smallpox is not a person)
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To: Fireone

I’d give the title to his son and successor, Uggedai Qa Quan. During his reign the Mongols finished, and secured, the conquest of Northern China, conquered everything west of the Gobi as far as the Danube [including the Bulgar state, the Pontic steppe, the Russian principalities, Kiev, and Hungary]. They razed Krakow, torched Bohemia and Moravia, raided Vienna, and were moving toward Venice. They also conquered Afghanistan, Tibet, the eastern Balkans, and made Korea a vassal state. Not bad for eight years’ work.


17 posted on 01/24/2011 4:19:16 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Each man in the Mongol Army went into a campaign with at least five, and usually eight or more horses. Then there’s the camels used to haul supply carts [ditto yaks], and the camels used by each Tuman commander’s naccara drummer.


18 posted on 01/24/2011 4:21:23 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Little Ray

Holy Cow that’s insane!!

Here’s what I don’t get about greenies. Who do they envision as their ultimate appreciator of their humanless green world? Some squid? A tree somewhere?


19 posted on 01/24/2011 4:21:29 PM PST by MNDude
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To: Fractal Trader

The Khan butchered millions of Muslims FYI. He knew that the best way to deal with this asinine culture was Total, Complete Annihilation...and he did much to that effect.


20 posted on 01/24/2011 4:22:54 PM PST by Longdriver
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To: DBrow
Was likely tripping and listening to this while writing the column. The only explanation I can come up with.

Next, the Khmer Rouge was the the greenest faction ever, hooray!!!
21 posted on 01/24/2011 4:23:06 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: Fractal Trader

Sick and wrong. Don’t they even bother to hide their genocidal fetish anymore?


22 posted on 01/24/2011 4:23:33 PM PST by Moose Burger
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To: PzLdr

re: #17: Excellent points. Nice to see someone who knows their history!


23 posted on 01/24/2011 4:24:34 PM PST by Longdriver
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To: Longdriver

His grandson, Hulegu, brither of two Qa Quans, Mongke and Qublai, did better. He sacked Bagdhad in 1258, ended the Abbasid Caliphate [along with the Caliph], and exterminated the sect of the Assasins. He founded the Il-Quanate of Persia.

Hulegu was a Buddhist. His wife was a Nestorian Christian.


24 posted on 01/24/2011 4:28:45 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: MNDude

I really don’t know. I don’t try to understand these weirdos. For some reason, they never themselves as being on the slate for being “made redundant.”

You do now there is a Voluntary Extinction Movement?
And another guide for the freaks is the “Georgia Guidestones.” Principles number one and two are pretty interesting:

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.

To put it mildly, I really hate the eco-fascist movement.


25 posted on 01/24/2011 4:28:56 PM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“Genghis Khan must have needed a lot of horses that produced a lot of carbon, especially running around a lot.”

I just finished a 1928 tome on Ghengis Khan and the Mongol conquests. It’s estimated that his armies were in the range of 300,000 in size total. Each warrior had a string of ponies. In the distance runs they could travel 100 miles/day as a unit by changing horses.

It’s not inconceivable that in the first few years of conquest the Mongols went through a few million ponies.


26 posted on 01/24/2011 4:28:59 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: PzLdr

True, but GK built, from less than scratch, the state and army that Uggedai used to complete his conquests.


27 posted on 01/24/2011 4:30:17 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Longdriver

“He knew that the best way to deal with this asinine culture was Total, Complete Annihilation”

It wasn’t a religious genocide the Khan was after, it was about total submission. Only the cities that did not submit to his authority and agree to pay tribute were leveled and all living beings put to death. (except for the doll-baby women, craftsman and scholars who went into the Khan’s service)


28 posted on 01/24/2011 4:32:57 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Longdriver
His grandson, Hulegu, brother of two Qa Quans, Mongke and Qublai, did better. He sacked Bagdhad in 1258, ended the Abbasid Caliphate [along with the Caliph], and exterminated the sect of the Assassins. He founded the Il-Quanate of Persia.

Hulegu was a Buddhist. His wife was a Nestorian Christian.

29 posted on 01/24/2011 4:34:52 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: PzLdr

OTOH, they seem to have brought the Black Death to the whole Eastern Hemisphere, which could’ve had a higher body count than all the conflicts.


30 posted on 01/24/2011 4:35:52 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Punish Success, Reward Failure. Destroying America is the point.)
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To: PzLdr

Found out in the book I just read that a line of Mongols survived as a sovereign kingdom and became a Moghul empire in northern India which was not forced into submission until the 1800’s by the British. 600 years is a long run.


31 posted on 01/24/2011 4:38:07 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Fractal Trader

I really prefer Shaka Khan...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81QDKnV36TE


32 posted on 01/24/2011 4:38:31 PM PST by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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To: mojito

The 40M that this article claims for the Mongols is quite possibly low. However, it is relevant that even this number was something like 10% of the world’s total population at the time. An equivalent today would be something north of 600M.

BTW, the Mongols ended civilization over large areas of Asia. Much of Central Asia, Iran and Iraq had been densely populated and hosting thriving civilizations continuously for thousands of years, based on irrigation. In the case of Iraq for something like 5000 years.

Conquerors came through every century or so, destroying the irrigation systems. These were quickly rebuilt by the peasants.

The Mongols had a more direct approach. They destroyed the irrigation systems and killed all the people, quite possibly upwards of 80% of the population of Central Asia, Iran and Iraq. With nobody left to rebuild the irrigation systems, these areas collapsed and have never fully recovered.

It is amusing that western historians focus on the death and destruction of the crusades, taking place at about the same time. By comparison to the Mongol impact on Islam, the Crusaders were an itsy-bitsy flea bite.


33 posted on 01/24/2011 4:39:31 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: wxgesr
I really prefer Shaka Khan...

did you know Prince wrote that song for Chaka Khan?

34 posted on 01/24/2011 4:39:40 PM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: Fractal Trader

Is there anybody here that didn’t know widespread depopulation has been the goal all along?

Satan hates humanity


35 posted on 01/24/2011 4:42:03 PM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: latina4dubya

“Did you know Prince wrote that song for Chaka Khan?”

No, but thanks for sharing!!

I like Prince Khan as well!


36 posted on 01/24/2011 4:42:18 PM PST by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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To: latina4dubya

And then there is always King Khan...

http://www.hazelwood.de/kingkhan/index.php

No Regrets!!!


37 posted on 01/24/2011 4:47:46 PM PST by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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To: PzLdr

This is why the Greens like Islam.


38 posted on 01/24/2011 4:50:12 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Fractal Trader
The reality may be a bit difficult for today's environmentalists to stomach, but Khan did it the same way he built his empire — with a high body count.

Actually, that's exactly what they have in mind.

State-run media just wants to pretend that it isn't.

39 posted on 01/24/2011 4:51:09 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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To: JimSEA

Just remember the central tenet of enviro-religion theology:

Humanity is a virus infecting the Earth Mother Goddess Gaia. Some greenies support a genocide campaign to reduce the global population down to no more than 100 million. OK, greenies, you first. Set the leadership example.


40 posted on 01/24/2011 4:53:00 PM PST by Fred Hayek (FUBO! I salute you with the soles of my shoes.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Reagan, through peaceful means conquered 200,000,000 commies!


41 posted on 01/24/2011 4:53:38 PM PST by roostercogburn
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To: roostercogburn
Leftist history in three lines:

- first they kill about 300 million last century.
- Reagan defeats them peacefully
- now they want even more to die

42 posted on 01/24/2011 5:00:10 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Fractal Trader
and the re-growth of those forests meant that more carbon could be absorbed from the atmosphere.

And those trees eventually died, rotted and returned their carbon to the atmosphere.

43 posted on 01/24/2011 5:02:28 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Fractal Trader

I don’t know if Genghis Khan was “green” or not, but he was one heck of a globalist.


44 posted on 01/24/2011 5:04:33 PM PST by The Duke
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To: Fractal Trader
horse-driven, bow-wielding hordes
1. The term is Ordu, meaning detachment or mobile camp.
2. They road horses. Cavalry normally had 2 or 3, to switch of, when one was tired
3. 2 bows,

Re Green death:
Isn't this partially ofset by his large number of offspring? Are the scientists trying to blame the Little Ice Age and Black Death on the Mongols?

45 posted on 01/24/2011 5:13:17 PM PST by rmlew (You want change? Vote for the most conservative electable in your state or district.)
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To: The Duke
I don’t know if Genghis Khan was “green” or not, but he was one heck of a globalist.
Great line from the Secret History: "As Tengri is the one ruler in Heaven, there shall be one ruler on earth." Temujin, the Chingis Khan.
46 posted on 01/24/2011 5:15:56 PM PST by rmlew (You want change? Vote for the most conservative electable in your state or district.)
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To: Fireone

LOL! Good one. I almost forgot about his famous comment.


47 posted on 01/24/2011 5:23:18 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Standing by the walls of Minas Tirith as Sauron's forces pound the gates...)
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To: Fractal Trader

That article is proof that ‘toking’ and typing don’t mix.


48 posted on 01/24/2011 5:23:18 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Cicero
Genghis Kahn: Population Controller.

He had Death Panels?

49 posted on 01/24/2011 5:25:47 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: PzLdr

I’d give the credit to Subutai. Had Ögedei Khan not died when he died, Subutai would have turned on teh Holy roman Empire, and conquered everything up the English Channel.


50 posted on 01/24/2011 5:30:39 PM PST by rmlew (You want change? Vote for the most conservative electable in your state or district.)
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