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We Could Be In Great Depression II – But We’re Not! (Everything Is Okay Now)
The Market Oracle ^ | 1-15-2011 | Sy Harding

Posted on 01/15/2011 8:49:35 AM PST by blam

We Could Be In Great Depression II – But We’re Not! (Everything Is Okay Now)

Economics / US Economy
Jan 14, 2011 - 03:00 PM
By: Sy Harding

Global financial authorities proved to be quite adept at reacting quickly, step-by-panicked step, to the financial crisis as it unfolded, making hasty dramatic moves dreamed up on the fly in panicked weekend meetings.

That the efforts worked is obvious. We are not in Great Depression II.

Heck, we're already back to buying new cars, packing the airports and vacation destinations, and piling money into the stock market. Bankers are not jumping out of office windows as in the 1930's. Those eased out of their former positions are enjoying impressive golden parachute retirements. Those still in their positions are already celebrating humongous performance bonuses again. The U.S. government has even made sizable profits from many of the temporary bailout loans and investments.

And the good news doesn’t stop there.

Global central banks, the International Monetary Fund, the U.S. Congress, and financial regulators, have thoroughly investigated the causes of the crisis and promised changes that will prevent such near disasters from ever happening again.

That is such a relief.

- If only global financial authorities could provide something more concrete than verbal assurances, anything at all to indicate they are able to see, and are willing to address, potential problematic conditions before they develop into the next crisis.

So far they have not only left the previous problematic conditions in place, but have amplified their potential for damage.

For instance, too big to fail financial institutions have become larger than ever, made so by the very actions chosen to solve the crisis. The largest dozen banks were quickly handed hundreds of $billions, with few restrictions on how the money was to be used, and encouraged, in some cases even forced, to acquire their weaker competitors. JP Morgan Chase took over Bear Stearns. Bank of America took over Merrill Lynch. Wells Fargo took over Wachovia. JP Morgan Chase took over Washington Mutual to name a few.

Meanwhile, the more than 7,000 small and medium-size banks were left hanging in the breeze, and two years after the crisis ended are still going under at a faster pace than during the crisis. And more than a million home-owners lost their homes just in 2010, with a million more destined for the same treatment this year.

Then there is the so-called moral hazard, the behavior that can be expected from people who are insulated from punishment for their actions.

Congress and the regulators have shown the major financial firms more clearly even than before that greed and high risk activities carry no risk for them, that if they lead to disaster the calamity will fall on others, while the financial firms will be rescued and probably even rewarded, coming out the other side bigger and more profitable than ever.

What could Congress and the regulators be doing?

After the Great Depression, and later after the 1987 crash, real reform measures were introduced. They included the Glass-Steagall Act, passed in 1933, which separated and restricted the activities of financial institutions, the ‘Uptick Rule’ in 1938, which disallowed the unrestricted short-selling that had been responsible for exacerbating stock market declines and crashes. After the 1987 crash, trading restrictions known as ‘curbs’ were placed on program-trading firms, preventing them from exacerbating another market decline with waves of massive computerized sell-programs.

Those reforms worked quite well for a very long time.

However, financial industry lobbyists were successful in having Glass-Steagall repealed in 1999, which resulted in banks becoming heavily involved in brokerage, mutual fund, and proprietary trading activities, as well as the packaging and promotion of questionable investment products like sub-prime mortgages.

Wall Street was then successful in having the uptick rule repealed in 2007, and the New York Stock Exchange confirmed in November, 2007 that it had scrapped the curbs on program-trading firms. Both repeals were allowed just before the severe 2007-2009 bear market began.

Congress and the regulators acknowledged the connection, but in spite of the promises of re-regulation of the financial industry, none of those previous successful regulations have been re-introduced. And the financial reform bill finally signed into law last July was so watered down by the time of its passage as to be a joke.

Meanwhile, the debt crisis that has been sweeping across Europe is being papered over country crisis by country crisis with still higher levels of debt, while Euro-zone officials and G-20 nations repeatedly meet but are unable to agree on much of anything related to more permanent solutions.

Bubbles used to be rare events. But since the repeal of Glass-Steagall, which allowed the major banks to become involved in all areas of the financial industry, we’ve experienced a stock market bubble in 2000, a housing bubble in 2006, and a debt bubble in 2008.

It may be that governments were adept at getting us out of a serious crisis once it hit.

But where are the signs they are even trying to prevent the next one?

The Fed is correct in saying that unemployment at 9.4% is too high, but that without the bailout efforts it would be at 25%, as in the Great Depression.

But what would it be, and where would the U.S. economy be, if Congress, the Fed, and regulators had done their jobs, left previous regulations in place and enforced, and there had not been a housing or debt bubble?


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KEYWORDS: economy; finance; recession; recovery
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Happy Days Are Here Again
1 posted on 01/15/2011 8:49:37 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
As long as Soros Obama and his flunkies are in the WH, I'll be in a GREAT DEPRESSION! Palin 2012!
2 posted on 01/15/2011 8:50:54 AM PST by pillut48 (Israel doesn't have a friend in President Obama...and neither does the USA! (h/t pgkdan))
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To: blam

We are and have been in a depression and nothing anyone says will change the truth.

LLS


3 posted on 01/15/2011 8:55:09 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!!!)
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To: blam
Bubbles used to be rare events. But since the repeal of Glass-Steagall, which allowed the major banks to become involved in all areas of the financial industry, we’ve experienced a stock market bubble in 2000, a housing bubble in 2006, and a debt bubble in 2008.

Alan Greenspan is the father of the modern bubble, beginning with the stock market crash if 1987.

4 posted on 01/15/2011 8:57:54 AM PST by the invisib1e hand ( Whitey need not apply)
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To: blam
The 25% Unemployment of the ‘30’s, was based on actual people out of work. Not just those applying for benefits, or who have given up looking for work and cannot draw UI for the coming month like they are doing now. The actual numbers are very close to 20% and the original depression.

This government is downright dishonest and the truth is swept under the MSM bus headed for Hell!

5 posted on 01/15/2011 8:59:13 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP ( Give me Liberty, or give me an M-24A2! (Cause I'm a nutcase....))
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To: blam

Yes, the economy is doing so well that Evergreen Solar in Massachusetts just announced that it is closing its Devens plant with a loss of 800 jobs. And on Thursday, my corporate division announced another voluntary separation program to eliminate 130 positions. The jobs picture is bad and getting worse.


6 posted on 01/15/2011 9:04:11 AM PST by LiveFree99
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To: LiveFree99

Yep, Democrats were told, but keep pressing that next uptic as utopia...

Transcript of Pelosi, House Democratic Leaders, and Economists’ Press Conference Following Economic Forum 10/21/2009

http://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/pressreleases?id=1414

Former Federal Reserve Vice Chairman Alan Blinder

“So for that reason, despite the fact that we’re looking at an absolutely horrendous long-term fiscal outlook...”


7 posted on 01/15/2011 9:06:22 AM PST by Son House (The TEA Party is Going to Be Like a GI Party...Clean House!)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Regardless of the percentages, it's the real numbers that alarm the most. The number on people not working, the number of homes being emptied, and the cities/states having to finally address their out-of-control union-oriented feeding is taking us down a dark path.

It's not just the million+ foreclosures, the ADDITIONAL NEW CLAIMS each week are more added to the roles to be processed next year. Foreclosures are rising, and jobs ain't coming. Gas is going higher and so are corn flakes. We are in deep doo!

We need a clean sweep. The Beaurocraps need to get into the job market and compete with those with real skills. The tax system needs to be junked and rewritten for liberty. Then, maybe we can see some equity!

Pray. It is the "effectual, fervent prayer" that moves mountains! Christians need to understand that this is an ETERNAL battle with temporal consequences. Take each day and make it new! God is still with us...

8 posted on 01/15/2011 9:08:55 AM PST by WVKayaker (Faith makes the discords of the present become the harmonies of the future - Robert Collyer)
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To: Son House

Your link didn’t work for me.


9 posted on 01/15/2011 9:11:34 AM PST by LiveFree99
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
I had that same debate with a High School economics teacher the other day. After an earful from this guy about how monumentally different it was, I said, I think I get it now. In 1930 25% were unemployed, in 2010 23% don't have jobs.
10 posted on 01/15/2011 9:17:34 AM PST by moehoward
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To: blam

Things would have been different in the years 1929 - 1942 if the government had borrowed $5 or $6 trillion dollars from Japan and Germany and handed it out to their cronies, Wall Street, favorite ethnic “communities”, strong democrat voting blocs, etc.

In fact, the “First Great Depression” would then look a lot like our present “Second Great Depression”.


11 posted on 01/15/2011 9:18:17 AM PST by Iron Munro (When a society loses its memory, it descends inevitably into dementia - Mark Steyn)
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To: blam

Our benefits just went up so our take home pay is less and tuna was up 30% this morning at the grocery store. If these are happy days, I’d hate to see the depression ones.


12 posted on 01/15/2011 9:25:12 AM PST by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: LiveFree99
We should be counting our lucky stars there is a new Speaker! Try this one, suppose keep a copy for longterm reminders too...

Transcript of Pelosi, House Democratic Leaders, and Economists’ Press Conference Following Economic Forum

http://www.realestaterama.com/2009/10/22/transcript-of-pelosi-house-democratic-leaders-and-economists%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%E2%84%A2-press-conference-following-economic-forum-ID06137.html

Former Federal Reserve Vice Chairman Alan Blinder

“So for that reason, despite the fact that we’re looking at an absolutely horrendous long-term fiscal outlook, I, like Mark, and I think most of us around the table, believe that at least a modest, now this is where people will disagree, but at least a modest increase in the deficit is targeted very strongly on job creation.”
13 posted on 01/15/2011 9:27:00 AM PST by Son House (The TEA Party is Going to Be Like a GI Party...Clean House!)
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To: blam

And cable, internet and garbage collection sent out notices last month that bills would increase on the 1st.


14 posted on 01/15/2011 9:27:16 AM PST by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Precisely. There hasn’t been a “recession” since Bush left office. This is, by any worthwhile definition, a real depression, and anyone still making money should be praying each night that it stays that way.


15 posted on 01/15/2011 9:27:40 AM PST by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country.----------In the same way Rush is balance, I am consensus.)
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To: blam

16 posted on 01/15/2011 9:33:09 AM PST by Iron Munro (When a society loses its memory, it descends inevitably into dementia - Mark Steyn)
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To: blam

OBAMAVILLE

Gett’n a head fake,
watchin' msn’s take;
All of their pundits oozing foul oil.
Clean’n my six gun on my front porch swing.
Felling my blood--
It’s beginnin' to boil.

Wasted away again in Obamaville,
Searchin' for a job so I can earn my salt.
Some people claim that Bush is to blame,
But I know it's Obama’s fault.

There’s no rhyme or reason,
They are all commitin’ treason
With nothing to show but a brand new tax or two.
But they are real beauties,
Despotic duties, how they got passed
I haven't a clue.

Wasted away again in Obamaville,
Searchin' for a job so I can earn my salt.
Some people claim that it’s Bush we should blame,
Now I think,-- hell with them it’s Obama’s fault.

I blew out my flip flop,
Stepped on a pop top;
Cut my heel, but I just cruise on back home.
Because no medical care will the doctors render
They say there’s little service I can tender
And there’s no need for me to hang on.

Wasted away again in Obamaville
Searchin' for a job so I can earn my salt.
Some people claim that Bush is to blame,
But I know, it's my own damn fault.
Yes, and some people claim that Bush is to blame,
And I know because of my vote it's my own damn fault damn fault.

17 posted on 01/15/2011 9:33:09 AM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

OUTSTANDING!!

It breaks my heart to know Jimmy is a flaming libtard.


18 posted on 01/15/2011 9:34:27 AM PST by Iron Munro (When a society loses its memory, it descends inevitably into dementia - Mark Steyn)
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To: blam

The country is essentially broke. How we dig out of this hole will be a huge challenge I don’t believe the pols are willing to tackle and solve and it.

The U.S. debt is now over 14 trillion and the U.S. government is very close to losing its AAA credit rating.

When that happens, it will be the beginning of the end and eventual chaos and turbulence...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110115/ap_on_re_us/us_debt_wars/print


19 posted on 01/15/2011 9:46:44 AM PST by Lonely Are The Brave
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To: Lonely Are The Brave

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110115/ap_on_re_us/us_debt_wars


20 posted on 01/15/2011 9:51:45 AM PST by Lonely Are The Brave
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