Posted on 01/07/2011 7:20:50 PM PST by moonshinner_09
good law!
It is important to put a boot on the neck of anyone who suggests that U.S. land should be returned to Mexico. People think it would never happen here, that the U.S. government would never force its citizens to leave their homes and give up their lands. Israel was “forced” to cede land to the Palestinians in the name of peace. Under the right circumstances and with enough political pressure from the right countries, the pinheads in D.C. could be forced to cede parts of Southern CA, AZ, NM, and TX to Mexico.
“I do believe that even illegal immigrants could, and should, have legal rights in America.”
I disagree.....if said “hypothetical” scenario occurs, deport the illegal alien and prosecute the legal citizen for his crime. If it is determined that the illegal alien is required for said prosecution, then retain him for a witness (if he chooses to) until the trial is over and then deport him.
The law of the land is for citizens. Period.
I have no “illusions” of going to another country and expecting, as a US citizen, having any rights under another countries laws, and if you support US legal rights for illegal aliens, then your supporting a dangerous illusion.
>>“I do believe that even illegal immigrants could, and should, have legal rights in America.”
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>I disagree.....if said “hypothetical” scenario occurs, deport the illegal alien and prosecute the legal citizen for his crime. If it is determined that the illegal alien is required for said prosecution, then retain him for a witness (if he chooses to) until the trial is over and then deport him.
Now, I NEVER said that the illegal shouldn’t be deported... in fact if you read what I posted it strongly implies the opposite; nor did I ever say that the Citizen shouldn’t be punished for his crime, deportation is, IMO, not really enough given hoe many “repeat offenders” we have. (I think something different should be considered, like, perhaps this: https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATyjMtQJe7iWZHY2OTh0bV8yN2htZnBzOWQy&hl=en )
>The law of the land is for citizens. Period.
No, the Law of the Land is for EVERYBODY in that land; privilege or right, however, may* indeed be the sole domain of the Citizen.
*”may” because I do believe that as humans they and we have inherent rights.
Citizens also have inherent rights to defend their lands from invasion.
Ah, and THERE you hit on one way to force a huge national [and possible international] incident.
All that’s needed is a Governor of AZ, NV, NM, or TX were to declare a state of invasion, deploy their national-guard [and other militia] to lethally enforce border security. If the Federal government were to refuse to send help they could be taken to court for failure [to act on] Art 4 Sec 4 of the Constitution; FURTHER, any force which attempts to undermine the “invasion”-state could legitimately be held for Treason as they would be ACTIVELY aiding the enemy.
His choice, being he will be deported.
Inherent right is our Constitution....for citizens.
You need to understand....it doesn't matter what legal decisions you've read that support your views. These decisions are not going to form my opinion.....the Law of the Land...is for the citizens. Again....period.
Oh yes, his choice (illegal alien), because the only right he has IS to be DEPORTED!
Very good!
You got it! The contradictions are quite evident. Where is US government support for Border Patrol agents who are attacked on a daily basis by "escapees" from Mexico. If Mexican authorities had their act together, the country would be a paradise and Americans would be flocking there to spend their hard-earned dollars and Mexicans wouldn't dream of leaving their homeland. Instead Mexico expects the USA to do a partial bailout called "the dream act" and leave the borders wide open so their drug cartels can invade us and cause us the same problems as they are having. Napolitano should be spending time with our border state sheriffs (on actual border patrol details). She seems to not have a clue how dangerous those jobs are!
How much more have we heard about the guy who was killed and his body disappeared while boating in Mexico (whose wife survived the attack)? Did Mexico investigate that?
Oh, please don’t get me started on “legal decisions;” I believe that “case law” is a cancerous disease that is a very real threat to our liberties. {’Precedent’ is nothing more than the Judiciary playing the children’s game ‘telephone’ with our rights.}
Also note that your “having him stay here” argument would be virtually null if the government actually DID pay heed to the right to a “speedy trial” as the 6th Amendment says... or is that, too, only for citizens? {One of the BIG problems with allowing the government to do things that they are prohibited from doing to “people”/”person” to an [illegal] alien is that they [the government] will always be pushing to include more and more into those exceptions. Just look at gun-ownership: it can be denied if you have a restraining order, which no jury is needed for, placed upon you.}
So...what are you really saying?????
Are you saying that liberal legal convolutions to undermine the constitution is getting under your skin?
“A Solution to the Illegal Immigration Problems… A Final Solution.”
Actually, I have to ponder this one for awhile.
>So...what are you really saying?????
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>Are you saying that liberal legal convolutions to undermine the constitution is getting under your skin?
Oh, quite.
It pisses me off just how one-sided/optional the government/law relationship is (i.e. Government can ignore the law).
For example, my State Constitution says:
Art II, Sec. 6. [Right to bear arms.]
No law shall abridge the right of the citizen
to keep and bear arms for security and
defense, for lawful hunting and recreational
use and for other lawful purposes, but nothing
herein shall be held to permit the carrying
of concealed weapons. No municipality
or county shall regulate, in any way, an incident
of the right to keep and bear arms.
Yet the Municipal courthouse has plastered on the entrance “NO WEAPONS,” which when I asked the security-guard was because “the judge said so.”
Now I’m not a lawyer, but “No municipality or county shall regulate, in any way,” seems like it should INCLUDE a municipal judge; further, where the hell do the judges get off acting contrary to the State Constitution... THEY ARE NOT LEGISLATORS!
Excellent example.
Florida, I live in Titusville, has state gun laws that the local law enforcement won’t abide by, so the state has a bill to force....force...local law enforcement to allow said laws like conceal and carry....
I’m in Kandahar (somethings out of sight out of mind this far away) and I haven’t followed whether the bill passed....anyone from Florida know if it did?
Excellent example.
Florida, I live in Titusville, has state gun laws that the local law enforcement won’t abide by, so the state has a bill to force....force...local law enforcement to allow said laws like conceal and carry....
I’m in Kandahar (somethings out of sight out of mind this far away) and I haven’t followed whether the bill passed....anyone from Florida know if it did?
“That’s right, make the punishment for being an illegal immigrant into slavery/involuntary-servitude for some definite length of time [unlike felons being disbarred guns for life, even after serving their sentence]. Perhaps the length of time in the US illegally or the amount of money and services received from the taxpaying citizen should be used to calculate the length of the servitude. This DOES solve the problem of either breaking up families or wrongfully exiling American citizens… but many will find the idea too distasteful to bear.”
From “A solution to the illegal immigrant problems”
Help me out here....this in reference to incarceration...right...and/or public service?
Once the bill is paid....are there not still 2 illegal parents and a legal citizen baby?
If it meant to say that the end result would be an opportunity to apply for citizenship...then that was missed, however, if so, something to consider.....but, are you willing to pay for it? Or, like in Brevard County Sherrif’s camps, do they work the debt of incarceration off, and whatever is deemed fair in illegally costing the American citizen tax money (welfare, medical...etc.) and the cost toward citizenship?
Still pondering.
>If it meant to say that the end result would be an opportunity to apply for citizenship...then that was missed, however, if so, something to consider.....but, are you willing to pay for it? Or, like in Brevard County Sherrif’s camps, do they work the debt of incarceration off, and whatever is deemed fair in illegally costing the American citizen tax money (welfare, medical...etc.) and the cost toward citizenship?
That was implied but left unspecified.
I wrote that article, not as an THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD DO piece but more to try to motivate people to think about the problem differently than the Amnesty/keep-things-the-same false dilemma that is pushed on us by the govt & media.
Okay, I can........ponder that!
Jeb Bush and Newt Gingrich are trying to win the Republican nomination in 2012 to finish off the Southwest for good.
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