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Hawaii Governor Revives Birth Certificate Wars Because He Wants to End the Controversy. Uhu
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Posted on 12/28/2010 5:56:06 AM PST by Michael van der Galien
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To: bigdaddy45
Why the debate over ‘anchor babies?’ Indigent Mexicans (and other nationalities) come to the U.S. to have their children. U.S. citizenship, particularly in the early 1960s, was prized. Obama’s maternal grandparents weren’t stupid. They knew how to manipulate the lax Hawaii vital records laws and regs in order to create the ‘certification of live birth,’ a proxy for a hospital-generated birth certificate. They only wanted the best for their grandson. Possessing Kenyan/British citizenship was at the rock bottom of their wish list. Of course, they committed perjury in the process but, heck, it’s only about fudging the truth only so very slightly. After all, he did grow up in Hawaii. That should count for something. Only problem is that Obama ended up being a man without a country because his British subject status through his father languished and eventually dissolved. Covering his tracks has been the modus operandi of Mr. Obama for a long, long time.
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posted on
12/28/2010 2:53:35 PM PST
by
jdoug666
(KENYAN OBAMA)
To: bigdaddy45
You dont get it. It had nothing to do with being famous someday. It was similar to what happened to an idiot friend of mine who had a fling with a Brazilian actress in France. Nine months later she calls him from Rio saying she had a child, will he acknowledge it and give it his last name. He says yes, signs a doc, kid gets a US pp, mother gets to come hete with kid. Kid is obviously not his.
If O was born in Vancouver, Kenya, elsewhere, the gr. who was a very canny type, declared him born there, got b.c. under loose Hawaiin law - look it up. She was just trying to nake sure he didnt lose his citizenship with the foreign father and underage mother.
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posted on
12/28/2010 5:13:23 PM PST
by
kabumpo
(Kabumpo)
To: kabumpo
This same “canny” grandmother who supposedly let her underage daughter run off to Africa to have a baby she conceived with a Communist Kenyan? Yeah... i’m sure she was really a sharp cookie.
To: kabumpo
Also, you’ve asserted earlier that the law stipulates that Obama isn’t a NBS because his father wasn’t a citizen. In that case, the location of Obama’s birth is immaterial. Correct?
To: bigdaddy45
To: Retired Intelligence Officer
Then why is his birth certificate even an issue?
To: Just A Nobody
Not so fast. My dad was in the army and stationed in France when my brother was born; in a French hospital by the way. So my brother has a French birth certificate. When my brother turned 18 he had to go before a federal judge and declare citizenship, French or American. Even though my brother is a U.S. citizen technically he is not a NATURAL BORN citizen.
So maybe obama was born somewhere else and somehow got a Hawaii birth certificate though less than legal means, it’s possible.
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posted on
12/28/2010 7:07:23 PM PST
by
DWaves
To: RummyChick
This is incorrect. The law was different for out of wedlock births on foreign soil..and Obambis birth was out of wedlock -unless Ann married Sr in Kenya- which I dont believe would have been possible given the rules on tribal verus statutory marriages..whites versus blacks, etc.
Assuming he was born out of wedlock in a foreign country (which may be true) then his mother could have conferred citizenship assuming she had lived in the U.S. for a continuous period of one year. I'm assuming he was born to a married Mr. and Mrs. Obama somewhere in the U.S., in which case I'm not incorrect.
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posted on
12/28/2010 7:10:15 PM PST
by
762X51
To: bigdaddy45
Lots of very cunning and clever people cant control their children. Read about the gr and grf and you will see - they were communists.
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posted on
12/28/2010 7:57:17 PM PST
by
kabumpo
(Kabumpo)
To: bigdaddy45
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posted on
12/28/2010 8:19:20 PM PST
by
rolling_stone
( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
To: Michael van der Galien
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posted on
12/29/2010 4:45:39 AM PST
by
Beckwith
(A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
To: 762X51
You would still be incorrect... depending on YOUR interpretation of the US Constitution - which may not be valid.
If born in the US to parents who were fraudulently married- and thus had no marriage (it is not a voidable marriage..it is a VOID marriage ) and you are invalidating his status based on Obambi’s British citizenship - you are incorrect. Check British law about illegitimate babies at that time.
If you are invalidating his status based on Obambi’s father’s British citizenship alone..then you may or may not be incorrect. It would be up to a court/Congress to decide what constitutes Natural Born Citizen...and therefore you can’t claim as fact that he isn’t a NBC. ..it would only be a possibility based on legal argument which could be argued both ways.
To: Portcall24
Undoubtedly with the help of America’s intelligence agencies.
They make fake passports, visa’s, COB’s, foreign driver’s licenses, etc. They will have no problem creating the “REAL”
COB for all to see.
To: RummyChick
You would still be incorrect... depending on YOUR interpretation of the US Constitution
I give, you win! I AM INCORRECT. INCORRECT I SAY! INCORRECT AM I. INCORRESTNESS PERMEATES THE WHOLE OF MY BEING. According to the contorted technicalities of British law (screw the intent of the framers) I recognize that The One truly is as American as Geo Washington...perhaps more so since Washington was born to TWO British immigrants (assuming there was no British law in the mid 18th century regarding nationality of legitimate or bastard children born in the British colonies henceforth to be called party of the first part). All vestiges of Geo Washington shall be stricken and replaced with the image of Baraq the Magnificent, including but not limited to, Quarters and Dollar bills. Washington DC shall now and forever more be known as Barryville. The Washington monument shall be renamed the Obamalisk. Apple pie shall now be known as Hussein pie. Curse thee vile George, long live Baraq the Magnificent!
Actually my interpretation of the Constitution would involve an imaginary conversation with Thomas Jefferson. It would go something like this..."Mr. Jefferson, the people of the United States elected as President a Mulatto born of an American female child of 17 years, sired by a Kenyan citizen loyal to the British Crown. Do you sir believe him to be eligible to preside over these United States?" Tom replies, "Pray let me thinketh upon the subject...(three seconds pass)... "Hell NO!"
ANY definition of natural born citizen other than "born of two American citizens" is a death sentence for America. Millions of children born on our soil of citizens of Mexico and elsewhere become eligible to rule us and at that point THE CONSTITUTION SAYS WHAT THEY AND THEIR APPOINTED COURT SAY IT SAYS! The end of America draws nigh, killed by lawyers and twisters of truth.
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posted on
12/29/2010 7:24:23 AM PST
by
762X51
To: 762X51
Facts are facts and case law is case law. Right now, there is no way to know how it would come down if someone was trying to throw out a sitting President based on the fact that he was born in the US out of wedlock in 1961 and one parent was a British Citizen- assuming anyone could ever get it far enough for the decision- which as we have seen..is not going to happen while Obama is President.
To: RummyChick
Facts are facts and case law is case law. Right now, there is no way to know how it would come down if someone was trying to throw out a sitting President based on the fact that he was born in the US out of wedlock in 1961 and one parent was a British Citizen- assuming anyone could ever get it far enough for the decision- which as we have seen..is not going to happen while Obama is President.
Hence my observation of "The end of America draws nigh, killed by lawyers and twisters of truth." Vattel's Law of Nations clearly defines a natural born citizen. Obama ain't one! It should be as simple as that to a reasonable man (or woman). Our days as a nation are numbered. I've grown weary of discussing the matter therefore let anybody that has a heartbeat be eligible to be President, hastening our demise and bringing about sooner our rebuilding again as the Founders intended. When Presidents began to ask what the meaning of is is, anything was then open for debate.
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posted on
12/29/2010 9:57:58 AM PST
by
762X51
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