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To: centurion316; MAexile
NC-4 is not a gerrymandered district.

It most certainly is gerrymandered. It's just that if you are not from here you don't realize what they have done. They've taken an area (Wake County) that would vote pretty Republican if it were allowed to be lumped logically, and divided it into pieces. A big portion of R support is broken off of the southwest corner of the county and grouped with Chapel Hill and Durham, thus preventing any chance of us electing a Republican.

They do the same thing with Fayetteville:

http://www.fws.gov/southeast/pubs/maps/nc.pdf

What would be a nice Republican group of people around a military town is divided in two, for dilution.

9 posted on 10/27/2010 10:18:11 PM PDT by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: krb

Two parts? Wrong, three parts. North section goes to Ethridge, S/E to McIntyre and west to Kissell. Fayetteville is the point of three spears.


13 posted on 10/28/2010 4:18:05 AM PDT by PeteB570 (Islam is the sea in which the terrorist shark swims. It aids & comforts the shark on it's journey.)
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To: krb

I am from around there, just don’t live there now. But, I do understand what they have done, it just doesn’t fit the traditional definition of gerrymandering. Its been going on in NC for a long time. My 7th GGrandfather was elected to Congress in 1800 as a Federalist. He was from Lincoln County and represented a solidly Federalist District. But the state was Democrat, so they redistricted and in 1802 he was out. He moved to Tennessee.


15 posted on 10/28/2010 5:05:25 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: krb
I agree that NC-4 is gerrymandered, if subtly so. Beyond question, the district is "purpose-drawn."

In North Carolina, redistricting is done my the General Assembly (State Senate and State House); the Governor does not have a veto on redistricting matters (this is significant because there is a chance that the Republicans could take one or both houses of the General Assembly next week). I don't complain too much about the Dems' gerrymandering, because if the GOP controls the process, their district lines will be just as creative.

Whichever party (or parties; it could be a split decision) controls the redistricting process, they'll have to answer to judges appointed to enforce the provisions of the Voting Right Act of 1965. Specifically, two "minority" districts (currently Districts 1 and 12) will have to be preserved. If the GOP controls the process, their obvious strategy will be to make the black districts even blacker, and likely even more attenuated, causing the adjacent districts to be marginally more Republican.

Here's a look at the current Congressional Districts statewide:

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As krb noted, Raleigh's mostly Republican suburbs were carefully carved up to minimize their influence. Western Wake County, including Cary and Apex, is strongly Republican; as a part of NC-4, it was attached to strongly Democratic Durham County (a large, politically active black community, plus blue-collar whites, plus Duke University), and notoriously liberal Orange County (home of my beloved but leftish alma mater, UNC). Historically, Durham and Orange have provided more than enough Dem votes for Price to overcome Republican Western Wake. But might the Dems have stretched things a little thin? With Obama not on the ballot, will the turnout of blacks in Durham and the vegetarian Birkenstockers in Chapel Hill fall off? Hasn't Western Wake grown rapidly, and filled in with more Republicans since the district lines were last drawn in 2001? Stay tuned.

A big chunk of northern and eastern Wake County (Wake Forest, Zebulon, and -- who could forget? -- Lizard Lick), also mostly white and Republican, is attached to a string of mostly rural, heavily black counties across the northern tier to form NC-13. So, eastern Wake's Republican vote is overpowered.

And finally, central and southeastern Raleigh, mostly black and heavily Dem, is attached to Etheridge's elaborately drawn NC-2, serving to (so the Dems hope, and it has been the case so far) cancel out the growing GOP vote in suburbanizing Johnston and Harnett Counties.

It will be interesting to watch on election night, and should the Republicans prevail in the State Senate and/or State House (obviously, they'll have to overcome the gerrymandered nature of their own districts, but that's a whole 'nother story), the redistricting process will be fascinating.

20 posted on 10/28/2010 6:31:45 AM PDT by southernnorthcarolina ("Better be wise by the misfortunes of others than by your own." -- Aesop)
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