Posted on 10/24/2010 4:48:32 PM PDT by mandaladon
You might not but sea weary soliders are rejoicing everywhere!
By the way I think homosexual saliors might actually say the same thing.
The reason they are putting three officers on board each boat is so they can have their own berthing compartment. The reason they are putting them on Ohio Class boats is to avoid the problems with hotracking that fast attack subs face.
Here’s one I don’t think anyone has mentioned yet. A sub does not have a doctor on board. There is one, count ‘em, one enlisted corpsman on the boat. His job just got much more complicated and politically dangerous. The submarine force works very hard to make sure the boat does not have to come off station because of the limited ability to deal with a medical problem. They took all my wisdom teeth even though they were years away from coming down. A friend passed his second kidney stone and found himself on a carrier.
Women onboard increase the chances of a submarine not being able to complete its mission.
I’d say I think you probably know already.
The Navy has always been against women on subs. Pretty much the same way the military has been against rump rangers (my god they will probably now name a division that)...
“Comfort women?”
Having separate berthing {sleeping areas for those who are not Navy lingo knowledgeable} means that the berthing area is off limits is my guess. Ships enlisted berthing is up to several hundred persons in one area. That area may lead to someones work center and they must pass through it to get there. Next is the mental aspect. Deployments up to 7 months at a time are not joy cruises. It's hard work and Groundhog Day. Would anyone want their daughter ran over by an airplane? How about working in 115 degree heat 100% humidity 16-18 hours a day? A place where a small steam leak the size of a pencil lead could kill them? Even the best tempered sailors nerves somewhere in that six month time frame will get shot for a short duration. Most recognize it and give the person some slack. IOW no added stresses till it passes.
GOD created man and women but GOD did not create them the same physically nor mentally and for very good reasons. That is not to say one is better created than the other but rather each has their unique purposes and natural design for life. There are major skeletal and muscular/tendon capacity differences as to what can be done as well as a completely different mental make up both necessary for the survival of mankind.
If anyone thinks women on ships is a great idea or would encourage a daughter to be on one should see the fligtdeck footage of the Forestall fire off the coast of Nam. It isnt staged the footage is real as is the deaths you see and it is something you remember all your life. In seconds any ship or sub can become a hellish inferno snuffing out lives in an instant before the first response can be given. The ships survival comes before anything. That was just one of several major shipboard fires in that era about as bad. Forestall is the one most remembered though.
Mass Casualities is where the mental aspects become primitive and your natural design kicks in. How you react and handle the carnage will determine your own and your shipmates fates. Again this is a shipboard reality of life.
I would not want my daughter to have to see some of the carnage that happened in my peace time shipboard service. Men still die in peace time Navy on ships. If I had a son it would be rough as well. But I would feel better knowing his shipmates were men as I understand the dangers of it all.
Last is it is by no means being fair to the wives of sailors who's husbands have made the Navy their career choice.. I'd bet the Navy likely has the highest divorce rate as it is due to the deployments and the sea duty roataions for most ratings. First mail call after leaving on deployment the line to the J.A.G. Office is long where sailors are given their Dear John letter from their wife.
The Navy says disciplinary problems were quickly resolved. The two involved in the videotape incident were kicked out of the Navy. The harassment cases were settled by officers on the ship and deemed minor. Investigators could not find enough evidence that the female crew member was sexually assaulted. Gemmill says the total number of disciplinary cases was less than on previous cruises, while the carrier's maintenance levels and performance improved. Defenders of the new policy point out that the pregnancy rate aboard the Ike was far lower than the overall pregnancy rate for Navy women serving on land. And the six pairs of lovebirds? They were split up-half transferred to shore jobs, half remaining on board. The Navy is willing to tolerate love-as long as love doesn't get in the way of fighting.
The Navy dismissed the findings as an aberration.
Navy Women Head to the Sick Bay Much More Than the Men Time Magazine, 2001
More than half became pregnant after the ship was under way, but a Navy spokesman, Lieut. Comdr. Jeff Smallwood, said there were no indications of improper fraternization between men and women on the ship.
"These women have a right to get pregnant," Commander Smallwood said. "The conclusion somebody is jumping to is that the Acadia is a love boat, and that's not the case."
36 Women Pregnant Aboard a Navy Ship That Served in Gulf (NYT, 1991)
From Wikipedia:
"It is claimed that in British naval slang this term refers to a child of questionable parentage conceived on the gun deck, hence 'son of a gun'. However, the term possibly predates this claimed origin, and Snopes.com lists it as being part of the English lexicon since at least 1708.
It is sometimes claimed that the saying has its origin in the supposed practice of women traveling on board ship and giving birth on a sectioned off portion of the gun deck. For instance, Admiral William Henry Smyth wrote in his 1867 book, The Sailor's Word-Book: Son of a gun, an epithet conveying contempt in a slight degree, and originally applied to boys born afloat, when women were permitted to accompany their husbands to sea; one admiral declared he literally was thus cradled, under the breast of a gun-carriage."
Operation Petticoat. B-P I remember seeing the 1959 movie and the short lived series that was made around 1979/80 or so. I’m not sure if this idea will fly or not, I’m a bit squeamish too.
NOTE The following text is a quote:
http://www.defense.gov//News/NewsArticle.aspx?ID=61373
Navy Announces First Sub Officer Assignments for Women
By Karen Parrish
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, Oct. 21, 2010 Two dozen women will begin reporting to four submarines by the end of next year, marking a new milestone in the 110-year history of the submarine force, Navy officials announced today.
Six female officers each will join the crews of the USS Wyoming, USS Georgia, USS Maine and USS Ohio, Navy Submarine Group 10 officials announced in a news release.
Three female officers will be assigned to each of the subs two crews.
The Wyoming and the Maine are nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarines, and the Georgia and Ohio are nuclear-powered cruise missile submarines. Submarines of these two classes are assigned two full crews, known as blue and gold crews, which rotate between sea and shore duty to maximize the time a submarine can spend in its assigned area.
Two of the women in each crew will be submarine officers, and the third female officer will be a warfare-qualified supply officer. They will be assigned to their first submarine duty station after nuclear power school, prototype training and the Submarine Officer Basic Course. They are expected to report to their assigned submarines beginning in December 2011.
Navy Lt. Rebecca Rebarich, the submarine groups public affairs officer, said today the new submarine officers were commissioned through the U.S. Naval Academy, ROTC programs and Officer Candidate School. All 24 women have been identified and will join their new crews at about the same time pending successfully completing their training.
Submarine Group 10 is commanded by Rear Adm. Barry Bruner, who leads the Navys Women on Submarines Task Force.
The Navys integration of women into submarine crews has been under way since Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates notified Congress in February the service wanted to add women to its submarine crews. Following a congressional review, Navy officials announced April 29 they would begin accepting womens applications for submarine officer training.
Navy Secretary Ray Mabus, a former Navy surface warfare officer, declared his goal of integrating women into the submarine forces soon after taking office in May 2009. Adm. Gary Roughead, chief of naval operations, seconded Mabuss initiative. The admiral said in a statement released in September 2009 that his experience commanding a mixed-gender surface-combatant ship makes him very comfortable integrating women into the submarine force.
The Navy first allowed women to serve on surface noncombatant ships in 1973 and on surface combatant ships in 1993.
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Once an institution rots in such a stupid way as this, it's not going to ever come back.
The Kenyan Clown is of course delighted to continue his ruin of our country and of our military.
Those "hot-running" crew members will get loaded in the tubes themselves....
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