Posted on 10/12/2010 9:42:26 PM PDT by kristinn
California gubernatorial candidates Meg Whitman and Jerry Brown debated tonight at Dominican University in San Rafael. The moderator was Tom Brokaw who raised the 'whore' comment with Brown.
Video of the exchange at Bay Area NBC
Transription by Kristinn.
BROKAW: Mr. Brown you did attempt to reach out to the police union. The telephone message was left on. It's now a notorious part of this campaign. In which somebody in your campaign referred to Ms. Whitman as a "whore." A campaign spokesman then described that as "salty language" and apologized after a fashion. We've heard no outrage from you about the use of that kind of language which to many women is the same as calling an African-American the n-word. Have you been in charge of the investigation in your campaign to find out who is responsible for using that phrase?
BROWN: I don't agree with that comparison, number one. Number two, this is a five week old private conversation...
WHITMAN: Oooohh.
BROWN: ...picked up on a cellphone, uh, with a garbled transmission. Very hard to detect who it is. This is not, I don't want to get into the term and how it's used. But I will say the campaign apologized promptly and I affirm that apology tonight.
BROKAW: You're repeating it to Ms. Whitman?
BROWN: Yes I am. I do. I, it's unfortunate. I'm sorry it happened. I apologize.
WHITMAN: So Jerry, it's not just me, it's the people of California who deserve better than slurs and personal attacks. That's not what California is about. It is not our better selves. And I, um, think people know exact...I think every Californian, and especially women, know exactly what's going on here. And that is a deeply offensive term to women.
BROWN: Well, can I just interject? Have you chastised your chairman, Pete Wilson, who called Congress "whores" to the public sector unions?
WHITMAN: You know better than that Jerry. That's a completely different thing. The fact you are defending your campaign...
AUDIENCE: Heckles Whitman.
WHITMAN: The fact you are defending your campaign for a slur and, um, you know, a personal attack on me I think it's not befitting of California. It's not befitting of the office that you're running for.
BROWN: It's unfortunate. Private conversation. I'm not even sure it's legal because you have to get the consent of all the parties and there's lots of people talking so, I again, Ms. Whitman I'm sorry it happened. That does not represent anything other than things that happen in a campaign. But the issue there of course is pension reform and the fact that you got the endorsement of that union. I didn't because they said I'd be too tough on unions and public employee pensions and I'll take that.
WHITMAN: So that's actually...
AUDIENCE: Cheers Brown.
BROKAW: Admonishes audience to keep quiet.
Tape ends.
I don't think on FR we are known for basing our discussions on "probably."
There has got to be someone on here with first hand information on this question.
Does your friend actually intend to vote for that old dem hack Moonbeam,
No, absolutely not. His choice at the moment is not to vote for either of them. He is definately not a Brown fan or voter.
There was also a point where Brown was bragging of his support by police chiefs and he said “I’ve got the police chiefs in my ...” and then he stopped and Whitman laughed and completed his sentence “He’s got the police chiefs in his pocket” Brown looked bad.
you are kidding me.
JERRY BROWN SIGNED THE DILL ACT IN 1978 CREATING THE SEIU ON CALIF.
HE ACTUALLY CREATED THIS UNION MESS.
DO YOU REALLY THINK YOU COULD GET AWAY WITH THIS BOLD FACED LIE POST HERE ?
Re: video
She’s living in her own little world and losing ground every time she talks about this.
Time to move on.
At least he is in Congress helping out at the Federal level - he may be doing more good there than he could here. I’m a big fan of John Campbell as well. Hopefully one of the few good guys we have can build their profile enough to take a Gov. or Sen. down the road. But right now, there is a leadership gap on the right in California.
She favors keeping defined benefits, as she said, "for people who carry a gun and work to defend the people of California." The rest of the state employees would revert to a 401k type plan. Seems fair to me.
What we would offer cops is essentially the same deal we give veterans. I don't think bureaucrats deserve the same deal.
“The company did lay off about 10 percent of its workforce of about 16,000 in late 2008, but after Whitman left.”
Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2010/10/08/3088780/adwatch-brown-attack-of-whitman.html#ixzz12DIK4FmE
Sure YOUR THE EXPERT HERE.
You wanted to keep that awful comment buried just like the Obama MEDIA !!!!
Good for Meg the Media wanted that story dead.
That avoids the question. Did she take the bonus. Is the Brown ad true?
How am I going to go to someone that is troubled by the bonus and tell them, well, the board of directors gave it to her. The first thing out of his mouth is going to be, “She should not have accepted it.”
You are not helping me. Is the ad that is running true? If not, tell me.
Thank you. A straight answer. Much appreicated. FReepRegards! I’ll go to the link you provided. Thanks!
Kind of like Fiorina who was fired after building up HP with less employees.
The Dill’s Act did not create the SEIU.
Google is your friend.
I see a Brown troll is back with a very unbiased comment .
You were posting Whitman was a Crook two days AGO.
Who are still trying to fool here . Brown troll
Hey how is your Rick Scott trashing campaign ??
Scott is pulling ahead so you better get astroturfing him too .
You have some principled friend there if he’s so sure he’d turn down $120M. Why am I skeptical? Maybe because talk is cheap? Not to mention it’s been noted that she was gone from eBay before the layoffs.
But by all means, stand by your principles and deal with Gov. Brown for the next four years. Just let’s not hear any complaining. He was CA gov when I lived there 30+ years ago. Wouldn’t even consider going thru it again.
No. If he doesn't understand that the layoffs probably saved a lot more jobs, he would never get it.
He doesn't sound very smart.
You might tell him that he should vote for her and give her a BIG pay cut. LOL!
Here is your buddy Brown and his DILL ACT.
Goggle is not YOUR Friend . DU Troll.
http://www.foxandhoundsdaily.com/blog/joel-fox/6729-pension-bomb-explodes-jerry-brown%E2%80%99s-feet
Moveon Brown Troll !
what lie are you talking about?
“He doesn’t want Brown, and he likely won’t vote for Whitman...”
So, what does he think he’ll get???
Readi this >
Jerry Brown created the unions and their pension mess back in 1978.
Ann Coulter talked about the Jerry Brown and the DILL Act
numerous times.
Its his creation
Read it .
I wouldn't take it either. I guess it is a matter of principle. Now, that is conditioned on the fact that for several years I would have been making $750,000 a year and banking it.
We have a serious problem in this country when people don't see something wrong in that bonus. It leads to candidates like Brown. I'd say if you don't want Brown (and worse), a few more pricipled people is in order.
Actions have consequences.
The first thing out of his mouth is going to be, “She should not have accepted it.”
You are not helping me. Is the ad that is running true? If not, tell me.
No, that is not true. That is a false assumption on your part.
Nice, I see you’ve calmed down to lowercase levels. I read it, and you were still going off half cocked, what lie?
Tell your friends that Brown created the Unions and their Pension mess in 1978.
http://www.foxandhoundsdaily.com/blog/joel-fox/6729-pension-bomb-explodes-jerry-brown%E2%80%99s-feet
Also inform them that Jerry has been working for years to KILL Prop 13 another GOOD thing that was created in 1978.
Well, my gut reaction is that cops are bureaucrats and tax collectors with guns, but that isn’t really fair. Botom line for me is that I don’t want to work until I’m 70 so a cop can retire at 50 and live off a fat pension in Idaho. If a 401k is good enough for the private sector, give them to all the unions, exempting no one. The economic state of CA is disastrous and no one should get off with untouched benefits, even the police.
Again, Brown is a liar and fraud and not Whitman.
You were inferring Brown was interested in solving the UNION pension mess along with the Environ wacko mess. Brown is the SEIU, Cal Nurses Union ,and all the radical union front man . They are spending millions to get him elected . He created the UNION mess back in 1978.
It’s as I suspected. I don’t know of any ceo who can
set their salary, and I don’t know of any who is paid
a $120 million salary, even with bonuses. Too many
times when one hears of a ceo making millions of dollars,
you don’t hear that part of that is based on stock options.
Options tend to come with an expiration date, and
if Whitman was quitting, then she might have had to sell
her options that had vested. The company did well when
she was ceo, seems to me she earned the profits she made
off those options.
DING DING DING!
Jerry Brown unionized California state workers.
When a Company reaches a certain level, adjustments to the Business Model must be made to stay competitive. In my role as a Manager for a Fortune 500 Bank, I had to layoff 50 people in my unit when the decision was made to outsource their positions to save the company a substantial amount of money.
After the conversion was completed and the projected cost savings were confirmed, I received a year end bonus based on a percentage of the savings. Should I give that back?
When you are accountable to Stockholders, these things are always being reviewed and implemented if the financial impact is favorable to the bottom line.
The fact that Whitman received additional compensation as CEO is just a straw man Liberal argument. Are they implying that a Governor Whitman should not be able to trim the ranks of State Employees currently performing unproductive or duplicate tasks to save the Taxpayers money?
Meg was compensated by a Board of Directors that decided that her leadership and cost control measures increased Shareholder Value while maintaining a sound Business Model.
Meg did not give herself anything, she was compensated for meeting her Contracted Goals.
The Rats are using the same tactics against Fiorina. If Fiorina had not outsourced jobs overseas at the time, HP as a Company would not be in existence today. Shortsighted Liberalism does not meet the smell test, so don't fall into the us against them trap of class warfare.
The way I view it, I agree with the free market system. But when I see a very conservative friend telling me he is troubled by the bonus, it tells me something.
With the kind of disparity in wealth that is happening in this country, the free market system is going to crumble. I understand that company owners sacrafice and create jobs. I believe all that. I believe in the rewards that come from risk and delayed gratification.
But I see trouble coming for this country and it is going to come from a lot of people that are in very tough financial times that see a $120 million bonus as a problem.
We have a consumer finacial revolution going on in this country already. People are saying to themselves, if that is the way the game is played, screw the banks I’m walking away from my debt.
This friend of mine had a credit card and made the payments on time, never once late. They raised his rate from 3% to 18%. He said, “I was a good customer, responsible, paid on time, carried a balance and this is my reward.” He said forget it.
I’m way off subject maybe and maybe not making myself clear. The system as it is being run can’t sustain itself politically. It will take more now than what made it all work before. People thinking of taking $120 million bonuses need to control themselves. They are going to lead us into more than just a consumer financial revolution.
Its interesting to watch the DU trolls who trash Meg daily here disappear ONCE I bring out the facts about Moonbeam. Moonbeam is the MOTHER of the CA UNION/ PENSION CHAOS and he has the NERVE to state he will want to fix it.
We can't afford his FIX !
I AGREE.
Its a HUGE Mess .
Brown is a bag man for the unions.
The SEIU, ACORN, CNA, and the rest are out in full force here peddling his LIES and SMEARS.
They are getting ugly.
Glad we agree on that! Don’t let your conservative friends not vote for Whitman or Fiorina - the alternatives are too awful.
Ask your friend if they mind that MOONBeam has been cashing in on TWO STATE Pensions (our tax dollars)while he and his GAP Millionairess wife live in a multi million home in the Bay area???
I hear ya.
Sorry , I missed a word “ Meg does NOT own Ebay “ .
This huge SF lefty owns it.
But he became a billionaire thanks to her.
I'm certainly not a Brown troll. As to my comment, it's called discussion, something that seems to evade you.
You were posting Whitman was a Crook two days AGO. You were posting Whitman was a Crook two days AGO. Who are still trying to fool here . Brown troll Hey how is your Rick Scott trashing campaign ?? Scott is pulling ahead so you better get astroturfing him too .
I said no such thing about Whitman. And I never trashed Rick Scott, either.
Take your silly lies and go play in your sandbox.
If you think that says that the Dill’s act created the SEIU, I don’t know what to tell ya.
A remedial reading comprehension class would certainly be a good start.
Quit your lying and namecalling.
It’s not a “hole”.
The liberal propaganda machine did a good job of “getting liberal meat in the seats”.
Obummer and his minions do a good job filtering the audiences at his speeches/photo ops.
This kind of tactic is all the liberals have left. Lies, nothing more.
I don’t think that she was forced to sell, but maybe she chose to sell some.
With a huge portion of her wealth in eBay stock, that would be an appropriate thing to do.
I figured that she chose to cash in $120 million worth of options — which is a far cry from “paying oneself.”
The other half of the allegations in the ad, regarding spinning IPO shares, was indeed true.
I brought up the union pension thing to YOU. Weeks ago.
Sheesh, you have a short memory!
But SEIU's creation was not from the Dill's Act and much of SEIU's growth is independent of Government.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2600338/posts?page=85#85
(snip) Jerry Brown's biggest fault was the people he hired and appointed to important posts and his role in the unionization of public employees. Hey Meg -- what about Rose Bird? And others. I haven't heard a peep about this from pubbies or the media. Campaigns are no longer about educating voters on issues and candidate positions....
You obviously didn't listen to either of the last two debates.
I hope Gov. Moonbeam doesn’t get to hold that office again. Judging by the audience reaction, most California voters can’t differentiate between calling a woman a whore and calling Congress a whore. Californians deserve every iota of pain they have brought upon themselves. I’ll be damned if I’ll sit still and see my tax dollars bail their lame asses out of the jamb they’re in.
eBay is a publicly traded company, owned by its shareholders.
Institutional investment funds and mutual funds hold the largest number of shares (over 500M shares)
Pierre Omidyar owns about 145M shares, Whitman owns about 20M shares, etc.
“FReepRegards”
That’s an interesting thing to say from a relative n00b.
1035rep’s link proved you wrong, too.
“No matter what accounting method one uses, however, it is wrong to say Whitman “paid herself” any of those amounts. Her compensation was approved by eBay’s governing board.”
I don’t think you are as ill educated as your posts would lead us to believe.
Oh, gee, how'd that happen? With the "whore" comment on nightly news and all? </s>
How about this logic?
If eBay is straitened enough by bad economic conditions, so much so that 10% of staff have to be let go, then how does the comp committee justify throwing millions at a CEO whose performance, had it been better, might have obviated the need for layoffs by adding value to the top line?
Tough times = no bonuses for anybody, or tokens at best for high performers. And $120 mil doesn't qualify as a "token". How's about that?
As a shareholder, I want my comp committee to show some sense of nod to reality.
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