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“Defensive” Jihad Is In the Eye of the Beholder (Andy McCarthy)
National Review ^ | October 5, 2010 | Andy McCarthy

Posted on 10/05/2010 4:57:32 PM PDT by greyfoxx39

 

As Dan reported here earlier, would-be Times Square bomber Feisal Shahzad was sentenced to life-imprisonment earlier today. Defiant and remorseless to the end, Shahzad made a number of chilling statements, but the most interesting moment came when Judge Miriam Goldman Cedarbaum asked him — in a “you can’t possibly be serious” sort of way — whether he really believed the Koran wanted him to kill innocent people. “The Koran gives you the right to defend,” he replied, adding, ”That’s all I’m doing.”

It would be nice if Western apologists for Islam and its sharia law would listen to that — even if the Saudis do pay them handsomely to turn a deaf ear. We constantly hear that the “true” jihad is really an internal personal struggle to become a better person (although the more honest apologists concede that this is a modern, revisionist construction that would have been rejected by Islam’s most renowned and respected scholars). To maintain some semblance of credibility, these Islamophiles concede, through clenched teeth, that while there exists a violent interpretation of Islam, it is a relic whose only conceivable legitimate invocation is in “defense” — i.e., when Islam is under attack. Thus, the argument goes, we needn’t concern ourselves with it.

Since I wrote my last book, The Grand Jihad, and participated in the recently released “Team B-II” study called “Sharia: The Threat to America,” I’ve heard a good deal of criticism along the lines of “Sharia doesn’t really say what he claims it says,” or “Some scholars offer a different, moderate interpretation,” etc. I humbly submit that this misses the point. I went out of my way in the book, and in the introduction to the study, to make clear that I do not presume (nor do my colleagues presume in the study) to pronounce on what the “true” Islam says, or on whether there even is a true Islam. Wholly apart from any jihad against the West, Muslims have been killing each other for 14 centuries, and most of the internecine warfare is over competing scriptural interpretations and claims of apostasy (a capital offense in Islam, according to the most authoritative sharia authorities). Obviously, there is plenty of internal Islamic controversy over what Islam and its law truly stand for. Americans should be very wary of people who claim to know, however well-meaning they may seem.

The point is that, whether they are right or wrong, there are millions upon millions of Muslims who believe exactly what Shahzad believes about the nature of jihad and the demands of sharia. It is of no moment to them that we do not see ourselves as at war with Islam, or that we see the victims of terrorism as “innocent.” They see things as Shahzad sees them, even if they are not willing to go the next step of commiting acts of terrorism, as Shahzad is.

From the perspective of American national security, it does not matter if those Muslims are wrong about Islam. What matters is that there are a lot of them and they constitute a mainstream current of Islamic thought. They have the support of influential Islamic scholars who tell them Islam is under siege, and they don’t care in the slightest whether Western intellectuals (at whom they scoff) or Muslim reformers (whom they regard as apostates) think they have interpreted Islam incorrectly.

Eventually there will be another Shahzad, a competent one. When he strikes, it won’t do much for our security to hear a President, a federal judge, a Homeland Security Secretary, an Attorney General, and a bunch of academics from Harvard and Georgetown tell us that a bad “extremist” has “perverted” or “hijacked” the “true Islam.” High-minded wishful thinking about how tiny the threat to us is won’t actually make it tiny.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: faisalshahzad; feisalshahzad; islam; jihad; koran; obama; quran; shahzad; sharia; timessquare; timessquarebomber; wot

1 posted on 10/05/2010 4:57:37 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
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2 posted on 10/05/2010 4:58:21 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (We now have confirmation that Barack Obama truly loves poor people. He is creating so many!)
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To: greyfoxx39

The first thing that happens after the next attack is feds protecting the moques and Obama making a speech praising Islam as a religion.


3 posted on 10/05/2010 5:01:03 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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4 posted on 10/05/2010 5:07:18 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (We now have confirmation that Barack Obama truly loves poor people. He is creating so many!)
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To: greyfoxx39
20/20 had a lengthy show on last Friday night about Americans attitude toward Islam and Sharia. They had Muslims countering what Americans thought, such as denying that the Koran teaches them to lie (if it is to their muslim advantage) and violence against infidels. They did state that these ideas were wrong and that only extremists believe this.

I believe that it doesn't matter what the Koran states. Muslims will believe what they want and act as they wish against "infidels." It is their excuse for attacking Western civilization. The enemy is real and we should treat him so accordingly. If mainstream muslims do not agree with their brothers, then they should be doing something about it--like jailing the extremists and ending the radical extremists.

5 posted on 10/05/2010 5:10:33 PM PDT by DallasDeb (USAFA '06 Mom)
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To: DallasDeb
This is part of a much larger pathological pattern.

Muslims will tell you that Islam forbids suicide. In the next breath they will praise suicide bombers as "martyrs", and see no contradiction in that.

They will claim that the Koran forbids killing women and children and civilians generally. Then in the next breath they will celebrate the murder of Israeli civilians, claiming that all Israelis, including women and children, are legitimate targets.

My conclusion: "Mainstream" Islam is a totalitarian death cult which is and always has been incompatible with Western civilization and humanity, and anybody who would accept at face value any statements made by devout, practicing Muslims would have to be some kind of idiot.

6 posted on 10/05/2010 5:28:49 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: DallasDeb
20/20 had a lengthy show on last Friday night about Americans attitude toward Islam and Sharia.

I posted

THIS article on that show HERE.

7 posted on 10/05/2010 5:29:15 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (We now have confirmation that Barack Obama truly loves poor people. He is creating so many!)
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To: greyfoxx39
To maintain some semblance of credibility, these Islamophiles concede, through clenched teeth, that while there exists a violent interpretation of Islam, it is a relic whose only conceivable legitimate invocation is in “defense” — i.e., when Islam is under attack. Thus, the argument goes, we needn’t concern ourselves with it.

The problem with Islam, is that it gives a VERY expansive definition of "under attack".

ANY mocking or ridicule of Islam is an attack (eg, the riots following the Mo Cartoons, the killing of Theo van Gogh over a movie critical of Islam, etc). ANY attempt to constrain the expansion of Islam is an attack. In the French slums, when a Muslim dies while trying to escape arrest, it triggers riots.

ANYTHING but total submission can be considered an "attack" on Islam. That is the problem.

8 posted on 10/05/2010 5:31:34 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: Zeppo
Muslims will tell you that Islam forbids suicide. In the next breath they will praise suicide bombers as "martyrs", and see no contradiction in that.

There is no contradiction. "Suicide" is killing yourself, and only yourself. It is bad because it deprives Islam of a potential fighter, or of somebody who could support fighters, without any benefit to Islam.

Somebody who dies while attacking infidels is a martyr under Islam, not a suicide.

9 posted on 10/05/2010 5:36:32 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: greyfoxx39

“…Muslims will believe what they want and act as they wish against “infidels.”…

While some Muslims say they may not agree with the tactics; yet they agree with the goals. Because Islam has a built in failsafe; able to kill those who are apostate or disagree. Further, whatever the non-Muslim or average Muslim states, comprehends or really knows about Islam does not matter.

What does matter is, what has been taught throughout Islam’s history within its primary schools of Islamic teaching namely: Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan!

Islam is Islam; there is NO such thing as a (division) Radical Islam versus Traditional Islam versus Passive Islam. Islam is nothing more than a military and quasi-governmental movement, disguised as a religion to control its population. The closest frame work to Islam is Communism, Nazism or Political Environmentalism; could they be considered religion.

As for the Quran, supporting documents and its teachings have not changed from original precepts. What has changed is how blind the West is willing to be, to get along with those having a primary goal to become the dominate philosophy and power at any cost.


10 posted on 10/05/2010 5:51:54 PM PDT by ntmxx (I am not so sure about their misdirection!)
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To: PapaBear3625

Yes, anything but surrender—is an attack.


11 posted on 10/05/2010 6:14:25 PM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: PapaBear3625
That is my point.

There is indeed a contradiction to a non-Muslim. Suicide is killing yourself, whether or not you take others with you.

12 posted on 10/05/2010 6:56:45 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: greyfoxx39
Judge Miriam Goldman Cedarbaum asked him ... whether [Faisal Shahzad] really believed the Koran wanted him to kill innocent people.

I think the judge is the one who needs to read the Koran.

13 posted on 10/05/2010 10:51:05 PM PDT by Dajjal (Justice Robert Jackson was wrong -- the Constitution IS a suicide pact.)
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