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Libertarianism's Folly: When 'Live and Let Live' Fails
American Thinker ^ | October 03, 2010 | Selwyn Duke

Posted on 10/03/2010 6:22:52 PM PDT by neverdem

While there was a time when I might have described myself as a libertarian, those days are long gone. In fact, I don't even call myself a conservative anymore. Oh, don't get me wrong -- I agree with libertarians on many issues, and their governmental model is vastly preferable to what liberals have visited upon us. Yet there is a problem: However valid their vision of government may be, their vision of society renders it unattainable.

Thomas Jefferson once said, "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." Now, I certainly agree with the first sentence, as it's merely a statement of the obvious. But then we have to ask, what constitutes "injurious"? And when determining this, do we completely ignore indirect injury? Then, if we do consider the latter, to what extent should it be the domain of government? (When pondering these matters, note that the Founding Fathers didn't reside on the modern libertarian page. They certainly would have, for instance, supported the idea of state and local governments outlawing pornography and would be appalled at what is now justified under the First Amendment.)


However you answer these questions, you should question Jefferson's second sentence. While it may make sense on the surface, it ignores that spiritual/philosophical foundation that affects morality. And what happens when a people become so morally corrupt that they elect a government that picks your pocket or breaks your leg?

Lest there be any misunderstandings, I don't propose that our central government establish religion. But I do have a problem with the implication that a person's most fundamental beliefs -- which influence action -- always do me "no injury," as this leads to a ho-hum attitude that lessens the will to uphold proper traditions and social codes. And if you doubt the power of belief, wait until a European nation turns predominantly Muslim and watch what ensues -- then get back to me.  

And today's libertarians have gone Jefferson one better. They ignore not merely religion's effect upon morality, but also morality's effect upon government, as they apply their ideology not merely to law, but also social codes. Indulging "moral libertarianism," they not only oppose anti-sodomy and anti-polygamy laws, but they also look askance at social stigmas that could discourage such sexual behaviors. Not only do they oppose obscenity laws, but they're wary of courageous condemnations of the obscene. Even that most intrepid libertarian, Glenn Beck, is guilty of this. When asked during an appearance on the O'Reilly Factor whether faux marriage was a threat to the nation in any way, he laughed and mockingly replied, "A threat to the country? No, I don't ... Will the gays come and get us?" I don't know, Glenn -- ask the Europeans and Canadians who criticized homosexuality and were punished under hate-speech law.  

Quite fittingly, right after Beck answered, he quoted the "It neither picks my pocket ... " part of the Jefferson quotation, espousing the libertarian idea that we really shouldn't care what others do as long as they don't hurt anyone else. To paraphrase C.S. Lewis, however, this is much like having a fleet of ships and saying that you don't care how the vessels function as long as they don't crash into each other. Obviously, if they don't function properly, they may not be able to avoid crashing into each other. So libertarians may say, "Whatever works for you -- just don't work it into government," but what about when someone doesn't work properly? Thinking that personal moral disease won't infect the public sphere is like saying, "I don't care what a person does with his health -- carry tuberculosis if you want -- just don't infect me." 

And the proof is in the electoral pudding.  Did you ever observe what groups vote for whom and wonder why? Churchgoing Christians cast ballots overwhelmingly for traditionalist candidates, while atheists and agnostics support leftists by wide margins. In fact, consider this: Virtually every group involved in something those Neanderthal Christians call sinful or misguided votes for leftists. Goths? Check. Homosexuals? Check. Wiccans? Check. People peppered with tattoos and body piercings? Check. You don't find many vampirists, cross-dressers, or S&M types at Tea Party rallies.   

In light of this, do you really believe there is no correlation between worldview and political belief? In fact, is it realistic to say that there isn't likely causation here? And what can you predict about America's political future based on the fact that an increasing number of people are embracing these "non-traditional" behaviors and beliefs? The irony of Jefferson's statement is that whether our neighbor believes in twenty gods or no God, he will likely vote the same way (this is at least partially because paganism and atheism share a commonality with liberalism: the rejection of orthodox Christianity). And equally ironic is that he will elect people who do injury to the very Constitution Jefferson helped craft.      

So there is a truth here hiding in plain sight: If someone is not a moral being, how can he be expected to vote for moral government? Do you really think a vice-ridden person will be immoral in business, when raising children, and in most other things but then, magically somehow, have a moment of clarity at the polls? This is why John Adams warned, "Public virtue cannot exist in a nation without private [virtue] ... "

Despite this, libertarians tend to bristle at bold moral pronouncements that would encourage private virtue. As was apparent when I penned this piece on the internet's corruptive effects, they fear that should such sentiments take firm hold, they will be legislated and forestall the libertarian utopia. But they have it precisely backwards. As Edmund Burke said:

Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their own appetites ... Society cannot exist, unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere; and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without.  It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free.  Their passions forge their fetters.

Thus, insofar as the libertarian governmental ideal is even possible, it is dependent upon the upholding of morality, upon the "controlling power" of social codes. For not only do they help shape moral compasses, thereby increasing governance "from within," insofar as that internal control is lacking, but the social pressure attending the codes serves to govern from without.  And insofar as this social control is lacking, governmental control fills the vacuum. As freedom from morality waxes, freedom from legality wanes.

Ultimately, the tragic consequence of the libertarian mentality is that it guarantees the left's victory in the battle for civilization. This is because, in libertarians' failure to fight for hearts and minds in the cultural realm, they cede it to leftists, who aren't shy about advancing their "values." And proof of this is in the social pudding. You see, if talk of establishing social codes and traditions sounds stifling, know that we haven't dispensed with such things -- that is impossible. Rather, the left has succeeded in replacing our traditional variety with something called "political correctness," which describes a set of codes powerful enough to control the jokes we make and words we use, get people hired or fired, and catapult a man to the presidency based partially on the color of his skin.

As for elections, political battles need to be fought, but they are the small picture. For if the culture is lost, what good is politics? People will vote in accordance with their worldview no matter what you do. Thus, he who shapes hearts and minds today wins political power tomorrow.    

The libertarian chant "I don't care what you do, just lemme alone" sounds very reasonable, indeed. But as hate-speech laws, forcing people to buy health insurance, and a thousand other nanny-state intrusions prove, when people become morally corrupt enough, they don't leave you alone. They tyrannize you. A prerequisite for anything resembling libertarian government is cast-iron morality in the people. And we should remember that, to echo Thomas Paine, "Virtue is not hereditary."

For this reason, neither is liberty. Scream "Live and let live!" loudly enough in the moral sphere, and in the hearts of men the Devil will live -- and the republic will die.

Contact Selwyn Duke


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: conservatives; homosexualagenda; liberals; libertarianism; libertarians; moralabsolutes
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That link in the first paragraph has an excellent essay about why the author doesn't consider himself a conservative anymmore. He wants to reverse all the crap that liberals and progressives have foisted upon us. Current RINOS and CINOS are content just to stop further advances by the left.
1 posted on 10/03/2010 6:22:55 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Well, I'm a conservative atheist, so I don't agree with everything he says, but I do like this: men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters.
2 posted on 10/03/2010 6:29:24 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Instead of building a grand mosque at Ground Zero, let's build a Ground Zero at their Grand Mosque.)
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To: neverdem

Thomas Jefferson:
“The powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others.
But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God.
It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”
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I have no problem with this.


3 posted on 10/03/2010 6:33:00 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: neverdem
Yes, a brilliant essay. I can't find much fault in it. It is what I've believed for a while. I use to be a Libertarian or at least more Libertarian. I still find some aspects of Libertarianism attractive. But when taken to the extreme, Libertarianism will result in social chaos. The trick is how much Libertarianism can we stand up to a point. That's a tough one.
4 posted on 10/03/2010 6:34:22 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: neverdem

Sadly it may be that the US Constitution has outlived its usefulness if US Citizens cannot protect themselves from infiltration and invasion using the Constitution as the means for that infiltration and invasion.

The Founders never envisioned the cancer of islam taking over free countries by perverting the freedoms of those countries.

Outlawing islam sets a very bad precedent, imo.


5 posted on 10/03/2010 6:39:07 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: truthguy

The problem is that not everyone cares to ‘let live’.


6 posted on 10/03/2010 6:40:16 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: neverdem

Libertarians don’t need to be a majority. Just nimble. As between those who would prohibit a behavior and those who would mandate it, libertarians need only be the balance of power. Otherwise, somebody’s idea of Sharia will prevail.


7 posted on 10/03/2010 6:41:59 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: neverdem

“And what can you predict about America’s political future based on the fact that an increasing number of people are embracing these “non-traditional” behaviors and beliefs?”

Unfortunately, a lengthy study of history indicates the dissolution of the Union, a lengthy period of savagery and barbarism, followed by tyranny. Not a nice thought, but that’s how it usually goes.


8 posted on 10/03/2010 6:45:22 PM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: neverdem

First off, the authors name is ‘Selwin’. Second problem, he thinks he’s smarter than Jefferson.


9 posted on 10/03/2010 6:46:59 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: neverdem
I know I am over-simplifying, but Abe Lincoln said - "Freedom is not the right to do what we want, but what we ought.."

I believe The Gipper once repeated this quote. Reagan also said, - "Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged.”

10 posted on 10/03/2010 6:50:23 PM PDT by labette ( Humble student of Thinkology)
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To: neverdem

This writer has exposed the worst trait of some conservatives. SOME have no problem with the leftist/socialist habit of wanting to run the lives of others. Their only difference is that they think THEY should be the ones in charge.

And i think walking around with TB falls squarely inside the “break my bone” zone. The trouble with what the author opines, is that while of course, ideas have consequences, those ideas must be fought with better ideas, not with the coercive power of the state.


11 posted on 10/03/2010 6:50:34 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: neverdem

This is an excellent piece.


12 posted on 10/03/2010 7:06:52 PM PDT by marron
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To: DesertRhino
The philosophical foundation upon which the social codes rest that enable a free society in the first place, vis-a-vis "endowed by their Creator", is key for reasons Edmund Burke set forth in the quote from him. Read it again, and carefully.

Anecdotally, atheism, while people are free to believe as they wish, cannot form the bedrock for a free society as the Twentieth Century clearly taught. Again, hearken back to Burke: "Society cannot exist, unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere; and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without."

There is no such thing as neutrality, and anyone who presumes to approach any subject without due allowance for his own built-in biases and prejudices deludes himself and builds on a sandy foundation.

"Know thyself."

13 posted on 10/03/2010 7:15:44 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: DesertRhino; All

Indeed..


14 posted on 10/03/2010 7:15:57 PM PDT by KevinDavis (President Obama: The Crybaby in Chief...)
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To: neverdem

Exactly, in the words of CS Lewis:

“..they remove the organ and still expect the same function”

The idea that amorality leads to Liberty is incredibly foolish on the part of Libertarians, nature abhors a vacuum, if Morality does not fill it, what will?

And that is something Libertarians never seem to grasp, the basis of Freedom is not indifference, it is a healthy sense of proper and improper based on unyielding Principles that force engagement, not on simple “I do not know and do not care”.

What Libertarians do not grasp when they read Reverend Niemueller’s famous words:

“..first the came for..”

That is exactly what amoralism produces, if your whole philosophy is based on being non confrontational, then what happens when confrontation or surrender does present itself?

Do they act early, shrug, quote ZAP?


15 posted on 10/03/2010 7:16:13 PM PDT by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: Redmen4ever
Otherwise, somebody’s idea of Sharia will prevail.

You mean like before the left/libertarians got their 1960s agenda implemented into American culture and schools?

16 posted on 10/03/2010 7:23:23 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: padre35
The idea that amorality leads to Liberty is incredibly foolish on the part of Libertarians, nature abhors a vacuum, if Morality does not fill it, what will?

Indeed, it ignores the clear teaching of history. It ignores the prescience of John Adams: "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

If we as a people are immoral, if we are of the mindset that anything goes, if we lambaste those who insist on the reality of axiomatic truth in the universe which itself points to a Creator, if we spit in God's eye and flout the statutes of His law as "stifling", then we have no right to expect to be a free and happy people living under His blessing.

17 posted on 10/03/2010 7:24:06 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: ansel12

People don’t get it. They see no connection between private and public morality, and expect God’s blessings on a wayward people who mock Him. There is no need for Sharia law because if “anything goes” prevails, all that they have come to enjoy and love about America will be gone, and it will be too late.


18 posted on 10/03/2010 7:27:06 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: neverdem
What?????

Selwyn Duke obviously just hates liberty, and is afraid of freedom, and whatever other mindless libertarian clichés I can think of.

19 posted on 10/03/2010 7:27:37 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (is a Jim DeMint Republican. You might say he's a funDeMintalist conservative.)
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To: neverdem

That has to be the most well thought out and written piece I have read in a long time. I agree with him whole heartedly. Like him I was mostly Libertarian but couldn’t really figure out the part that the truly corrupt play and how to counter them. If morality isn’t in ones heart it must be legislated for societies sake.


20 posted on 10/03/2010 7:31:05 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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