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America has the most humane immigration laws in the world.
Human Events ^ | 8-2-10 | Gary Bauer

Posted on 08/02/2010 5:44:05 AM PDT by Wolf13

Like many Americans, I am horrified by the brutality many illegal immigrants encounter when they flee atrocious living conditions in their home countries.

But, unlike the Obama Administration and certain federal court judges, I am not confused about where this brutality takes place: not in Arizona or other American states, but in a diverse group of countries, including those with the gall to berate America for its fair and just immigration laws.

Consider Mexico, where, until 2008, illegal immigrants were handed prison sentences of one-and-a-half to ten years. Though that law was reformed, Mexican police are still required to check the immigration status of people they suspect are in the country illegally, and to hand over migrants to immigration authorities.

Illegal immigrants often receive brutal treatment from Mexico’s notoriously corrupt police. A recent Amnesty International report found that immigrants to Mexico regularly face abuse, kidnappings and rape, often with police involvement.

According to the National Human Rights Commission, over a recent six-month period, 91 migrants were kidnapped and held for ransom in Mexico with the direct participation of the Mexican police. As one migrant told USA Today, “There (in the United States), they’ll deport you. In Mexico they’ll probably let you go, but they’ll beat you up and steal everything you’ve got first.”

(Excerpt) Read more at humanevents.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: arizona; illegals; immigration; obama

1 posted on 08/02/2010 5:44:08 AM PDT by Wolf13
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To: Wolf13
Whenever I see the Mexican flag being carried by pro-illegal protesters, I get the same feeling I would have if people were carrying the Nazi flag. The plans of the two groups for my country are not so dissimilar as to invalidate the comparison.

Just my opinion, but a sincerely held one.

2 posted on 08/02/2010 5:48:17 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: cvq3842

Mexico is so messed up, it probably won’t get better before changing flags (again). That one, about the tenth since independence (yep), has not been more successful than the rest...


3 posted on 08/02/2010 5:55:38 AM PDT by Moose Burger
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To: Wolf13

America has the most humane immigration laws in the world.

The author misspoke. It should not read humane but insane.
just a typo.


4 posted on 08/02/2010 6:03:49 AM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: Wolf13

Maybe they would not have to flew “brutal conditions” if they stayed in their home countries and fought their oppressors.

This is the real secret behind the DC elites total unwillingness to do anything about illegal immigration. The “Stability uber alles” crowd have convinced the political class that we have to allow illegal immigration as a “safety valve” to bleed off disaffection from Latin America and prevent revolution.

What none of the DC posse seems to realize is the Cold War is over. We no longer have to worry about revolution in Central and South America proving a beachhead for Soviet influence. We would be better off letting the lid off then trying to keep it welded shut any longer.

Past time for the US to tell third wold thugocrats “You are on you own, reform or die. We aren’t accepting your problem children anymore.”


5 posted on 08/02/2010 6:04:43 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is eventually you run our of other peoples money. Lady Thatcher)
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To: Wolf13
Though that law was reformed, Mexican police are still required to check the immigration status of people they suspect are in the country illegally, and to hand over migrants to immigration authorities.

Oh, the horror!! Inhumane . . . mean . . . people!!



/sarc

6 posted on 08/02/2010 6:08:07 AM PDT by DustyMoment
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To: Wolf13

As in the USA, Mexico’s immigration laws are selectively enforced and mostly not enforced. They are mostly a joke. Plenty of us have been in Mexico “illegally” to destroy the credibility of this scare story.


7 posted on 08/02/2010 6:11:41 AM PDT by spintreebob
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To: Wolf13
America has the most humane immigration laws in the world.

And Americans the most generous people in the world as well. ...by a wide margin. Yet we're still constantly criticized for being racist, selfish, and stingy. Why? Pure, unadulterated envy.

8 posted on 08/02/2010 6:12:47 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Wolf13

While I am not yet considered an immigrant, I am a full time
resident of the Philippines.
For the privilege, I am required to visit an immigration office every two months in order to renew my visa.
I pay about $500 per year for the visa renewals.
At the end of two years, I must exit the country, if only for one day.
I can then reenter and start all over.
In Addition, I can not own property or do business here.

If I did it the Mexican way, I would be instantly deported, never to return.


9 posted on 08/02/2010 6:14:25 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: Wolf13

Comparatively, we bend over backwards and put up with quite a bit. Take that bastion of civility, Switzerland. You get deported if you don’t learn one of the official languages within a certain time.

And take countries such as Saudi Arabia. If you’re from a poor country looking for work, you basically hand yourself over for indentured servitude for a period, then you’re out, no hope of citizenship. You can be a permanent resident if you have a desired skill and are sponsored by a company, but that’s it, permanent resident, not citizen.


10 posted on 08/02/2010 6:17:30 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Wolf13

Never mistake the Internationalist agenda for public opinion.


11 posted on 08/02/2010 6:21:19 AM PDT by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: spintreebob

Not completely true. I was a passenger in a vehicle in the middle of Mexico. The driver was Mexican but the officer asked for MY immigration paperwork. I told him that I didn’t do anything and he said that if I did not show him my paperwork then he would take me to jail.

I think that he was hoping that I did not have paperwork so that he could solicit a bribe to let me go. Either way, they do ask for this stuff.


12 posted on 08/02/2010 6:42:05 AM PDT by bravedog
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To: Wolf13
America has the most humane insane immigration laws in the world.
13 posted on 08/02/2010 6:47:45 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: cvq3842
Mexican Invader Suppression Tool:

GET YOURS TODAY!

14 posted on 08/02/2010 7:19:02 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: cvq3842
The True History of the Southwest,” by Matthew Bracken

The fallacies surrounding the history of the Southwest are staggering, chief among them the “Aztlan” fairy tales. What is the truth? How did the Spanish Europeans conquer the Southwest? The “conquistadores” (that means “conquerors”) did it with the lance, and the lash.

For example, in 1541 Coronado entered present-day New Mexico (which included present-day Arizona during the Spanish era) searching for the “lost cities of gold.” One of his first actions upon meeting the natives was to burn hundreds of them alive in their dwellings, for not handing over suspected horse thieves. That is how Spain conquered the natives of the present US Southwest—not with hugs and kisses. It was certainly no love-fest between long-lost brown-skinned soul-mates, as it is often portrayed today by the delusional Aztlaners, who spin the “new bronze race of Mestizos” toro-mierda fable.

By 1821, Mexico City was strong enough to overthrow the even more decrepit and ineffectual Spanish colonial rule. However, the distant provinces of the current U.S. Southwest were far beyond the reach of the authority of the independent but strife-torn new government in Mexico City. These distant northern provinces received neither military protection nor needed levels of trade from the south. Under Spanish colonial rule, trade with the USA was forbidden, but at least Spain provided trade and Army protection from hostile Indians. Under Mexican abandonment and neglect, the Southwest received neither trade nor protection from Mexico City.

For example, Comanches and Apaches ran rampant in the 1830s in the power vacuum created by Mexican neglect, burning scores of major ranches that had been active for hundreds of years and massacring their inhabitants. Mexico City could neither defend nor keep the allegiance of its nominal subjects in these regions. Nor did it provide needed levels of trade to sustain the prior Spanish colonial era standard of living. Mexican governmental influence atrophied, withered and died at the same time that American pathfinders were opening up new routes into the region.

Increasingly, a growing United States of America was making inroads into the Southwest, via ships into California, and via wagon trains of trade goods over the Santa Fe Trail from St. Louis. The standard of living of the Spanish inhabitants of California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas subsequently increased enormously, which is why they did not support Mexico City in the 1846-48 war. In fact, the Spanish-speaking inhabitants of the Southwest never considered themselves “Mexicans” at all, ever. They went, in their own eyes, from Spanish directly to American. To this very day, if you want a punch in the nose, just call an Hispanic native of New Mexico a “Mexican.”

So how long did Mexico City have even nominal jurisdiction (in their eyes) over the American Southwest? For only 25 years, during which they had no effective control, and the area slipped backwards by every measure until the arrival of the Americans.

The Spanish inhabitants of the Southwest never transferred their loyalty to Mexico City, because all they received from the chaotic Mexican government was misrule, neglect, and unchecked Indian raids.

Since then, how long has the area been under firm American control? For 150 continuous years, during which time the former Spanish inhabitants of the region, now American citizens, have prospered beyond the wildest dreams of the Mexicans still stuck in Mexico. To compare the infrastructure, roads, schools, hospitals etc. of the two regions is to understand the truth. The Mexican government has been mired in endemic graft, corruption, nepotism and chaos from the very start until today. The ordinary Mexican peons have been trampled and abused, while only the super-rich elites have thrived. This is why millions of Mexicans want to escape from Mexico today, to enjoy the benefits of living in America that they can never hope to obtain in Mexico.

And because today Mexico is a corrupt third-world pest-hole (despite having more millionaires and billionaires than Great Britain), we are supposed to let any number of Mexicans from Chiapas, Michoacan or Yucatan march into the American Southwest, and make some “historical claim” of a right to live there?

From where does this absurd idea spring?

At what point in history did Indians and Mestizos from Zacatecas or Durango stake a claim on the American Southwest? Neither they nor their ancestors ever lived for one single day in the American Southwest.

The Spanish living in the Southwest in 1846 stayed there, and became Americans by the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. There were no Spanish inhabitants of the Southwest who were marched to the border and driven into Mexico. It didn’t happen. The Spanish in the Southwest welcomed American citizenship, which brought stability, protection from Indian raids, and a vast increase in their standard of living with the increase in trade with America.

In summary, no current inhabitants of Mexico have a claim on even one single inch of the American Southwest.

Not one single citizen of Mexico is sneaking into the United States to reclaim property their ancestors were deprived of. Not one. They are criminal invaders and colonizers, pure and simple.

It’s time Americans learned the true history, as a counter to the currently prevalent “Aztlan” fairy tales put out by “La Raza” (The Race), “MEChA” (the Student Movement for Aztlan) and other radical anti-American groups.

15 posted on 08/02/2010 9:20:34 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (Language, Borders, Culture, Full employment for those here legally)
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To: PATRIOT1876

Bookmarked for later reading. thanks!


16 posted on 08/02/2010 9:28:34 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: Wolf13

I know Cuban refugees who have passed through Mexico (having entered legally) and they had horrific experiences with the Mexican police.


17 posted on 08/02/2010 9:38:09 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Moose Burger

I want to tell everyone about a great book about how Mexico got so messed up — “Robbery Under Law’ by Evelyn Waugh.


18 posted on 08/02/2010 9:40:28 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: bravedog

Bingo. Bribes is the reason to enforce immigration laws ... and not just in Mexico.

Most immigrants patiently waiting in line to legally enter the USA are ... guess what ... already here illegally. They go in person as illegals into the immigration office to try to speed up the processing of their application to enter the USA legaly. The application is usually based on a newly married spouse or anchor baby.

In the immigration office, the (alleged) civil service employee then tells the applicant that they could use the services of a lawyer or immigration consultant to help speed up the process. They then give the applicant a list of half-a-dozen such immigration consultants. Of course, it just happens that those consultants are the brother, cousin or business partner of one of the employees in the office.

Why do you think there is such a long waiting line for obtaining legal papers? It takes time for the immigrant to accumulate the fee of the consultant. Of course, that consultant doesn’t get to keep it all himself. He has to split it with his business partner ... or give his cousin a big Christmas present.

A big mistake of the anit-illegal voices is in thinking that a big gubmint solution to immigration will somehow magically improve the situation.


19 posted on 08/02/2010 10:30:04 AM PDT by spintreebob
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To: All

Help Texas watch her borders. Watch live on 14 cameras and report illegals. Night cams in operation

http://www.blueservo.net/index.php?error=nlg


20 posted on 08/02/2010 10:47:22 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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