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1962 war hero Hercules to make a comeback
The Indian Express ^ | Jul 05 2010 | Manu Pubby

Posted on 07/05/2010 7:58:25 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

1962 war hero Hercules to make a comeback Manu Pubby Posted online: Mon Jul 05 2010, 03:49 hrs New Delhi : Almost 50 years after an earlier version of the military transport aircraft provided a crucial air bridge to transport troops and equipment to the Chinese frontier during the Sino-Indian war, the hardy ‘Hercules’ is making a comeback to India. The Indian Air Force (IAF) is set to get the first of its six C 130 J Super Hercules on order from the US in February 2011, in time for the Aero India air show and two months ahead of the scheduled delivery.

While the new ‘Special Operations’ Hercules that the IAF is getting is several generations ahead of its illustrious predecessor that airlifted several thousand troops that were desperately needed along the entire Chinese border from Ladakh down to the North-East, the stubby-nosed aircraft holds a special place in the military history of the nation.

The year was 1962 and the Chinese invasion was on in full swing when the government realised that it was woefully short of transport aircraft that could carry troops and military equipment to difficult airstrips along the Chinese border. The ties with the US were on a historic high and a request for help by PM Jawaharlal Nehru to President John Kennedy yielded a 12 aircraft detachment of the Hercules for operations in Ladakh and the North-East.

The mainstay of the IAF transport fleet was the Russian AN 12 four-engined aircraft, a sturdier, faster aircraft than the Hercules. But the IAF was finding it difficult to transport heavy loads and personnel to the short Leh airfield located at an altitude of 10,500 feet. The unpressurised AN 12 was also unsuitable to fly in troops to the high- altitude airbase.

Over a nine-month period, the 12 aircraft Hercules detachment brought in thousands of troops to the Chinese frontier, flying regular missions to Ladakh as well as airstrips in the North-East on the Arunachal Pradesh border. In one mission, an aircraft flew out 104 Tibetan orphans whose parents had been killed during the border clash from Leh to South India.

While the lessons learnt during the war helped India in planning out its aircraft acquisition over the next few years, the Hercules never returned as ties with the US steadily deteriorated and India became dependant on Russian imports. Things changed after the new-found bonhomie between the nations that paved the way for a $ 1 billion contract that was inked in 2008 for six ‘special operations’ version of the new C 130 J ‘Super Hercules’.

The new aircraft is very different from its predecessor. It is equipped with a Forward Looking Infra Red, Heads Up Display and navigational aids, that enables operations in low visibility conditions, through fog, clouds and dust storms. The aircraft on order are also designed to land and take off from an airstrip in pitch dark without using external lights.

The initial order is for six aircraft but Lockheed Martin, the manufacturer, is in talks with the IAF for six more. “We have been in discussion (with the government) and hope to see a follow on order for another six aircraft,” said Orville Prins, Senior Vice President, Business Development, India for Lockheed Martin Aeronautics.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; c130; hercules; india
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1 posted on 07/05/2010 7:58:29 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The aircraft on order are also designed to land and take off from an airstrip in pitch dark without using external lights.

NOw that has got to be hairy!


2 posted on 07/05/2010 8:03:32 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Timeless: 1911, M1 Garand, M2 50 Cal, C-47 and C-130.....Oh....forgot the BUFF!!!!


3 posted on 07/05/2010 8:05:13 AM PDT by Gaffer ("Profiling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: Gaffer

Well, crap....now yer gonna have to add the UH-1


4 posted on 07/05/2010 8:05:52 AM PDT by Gaffer ("Profiling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

That plane is a real work horse!
The C130J has a six-bladed composite propeller coupled to a Rolls-Royce AE2100D3 turboprop engine (x4).

5 posted on 07/05/2010 8:10:50 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( - Eccl. 10:18 -)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I thought at first they were remaking old Steve Reeves movies.


6 posted on 07/05/2010 8:10:54 AM PDT by bleach (Sarah, Wake me in 2012)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Interestingly, the Antonov An-12 “Cub” could be a viable C-130 competitor if Antonov was willing to put in a modern turboprop engine and develop a higher-lift wing for the plane. The An-12 has been proved to do very well as a cargo plane when properly maintained, especially since it was designed to operate from unprepared airstrips.


7 posted on 07/05/2010 8:12:22 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: smokingfrog

I spent the day once on the flight line at Hurlburt field watching their birds going up, one-by-one for target practice......a sight to behold..


8 posted on 07/05/2010 8:14:02 AM PDT by Gaffer ("Profiling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: Gaffer
"Timeless: 1911, M1 Garand, M2 50 Cal, C-47 and C-130.....Oh....forgot the BUFF!!!!"

As far as I know, the longest lived piece of equipment in continuous use by the US military is the M1859 McClellan saddle, albeit, its use has been relegated to ceremonial purposes only in recent decades...

...variations of it were used operationally from the time of it's adoption in 1859, right up 'til WWII, when it, like horses were relegated to ceremonial duties.

9 posted on 07/05/2010 8:21:20 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: tet68

FLIR (forward looking infrared radar) coupled with 3D HUD (head up display) makes the night world quite visible and pitch black landings fairly routine.


10 posted on 07/05/2010 8:22:39 AM PDT by downtownconservative
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To: sukhoi-30mki

As someone who used to work (and was a Crew Chief) on the C-124 Globemaster (Old Shakey) and has flown on just about every USAF Prop/Turbo Prop plane in the USAF inventory (at least in the 1960’s)—including C-97’s, C-121 Constellation, C-123’s, C-54’s and even the Gooney Bird C-47—the C-130 is by far the NOISIEST bird ever, and that includes the Huey (UH-1) Chopper!


11 posted on 07/05/2010 8:33:57 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet ((One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All))
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To: Joe 6-pack

Nice to know. Thanks. Guess I’ll have to get one since the Kenyan
is bound and determined to drive us back to 1900.


12 posted on 07/05/2010 8:36:08 AM PDT by Gaffer ("Profiling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: Gaffer
"Guess I’ll have to get one since the Kenyan is bound and determined to drive us back to 1900."

If the kenyan has his way, we'll find ourselves eating horses, not riding them.

13 posted on 07/05/2010 8:41:18 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Guess you have a point then. If so, what to ride? A donkey?
There’s plenty of them. Just pick your neighbor that voted for Obama. (heh, heh).


14 posted on 07/05/2010 8:46:10 AM PDT by Gaffer ("Profiling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: tet68
NOw that has got to be hairy!

Not as hairy as trying to land one on a carrier:


15 posted on 07/05/2010 8:51:41 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Gaffer
It's one of the perfectly good airplanes I've jumped out of a few times.

 

 

 

  Geronimo!

16 posted on 07/05/2010 9:04:01 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( - Eccl. 10:18 -)
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To: Joe 6-pack
It hasn't been in continuous use, since other patterns took its place for a few periods, but the Marine Corps sword does go back farther than the McClellan saddle.
17 posted on 07/05/2010 9:12:22 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
From what I hear (NPI!), the TU-95 Bear is in competition for that.

Fifty thousand horsepower shredding the air with contra-rotating props. I'm surprised the oxygen and nitrogen nuclei remain intact. ≤}B^)

18 posted on 07/05/2010 9:18:55 AM PDT by Erasmus (Looks like we're between a lithic outcropping and a region of low compressibility.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
"It hasn't been in continuous use, since other patterns took its place for a few periods...."

Yep...They stopped issuing the mameluke saber right around the time of the Civil War, and it came back, IIRC in the 1870s...But you are correct...it does predate the McClellan saddle...which I should clarify, had been modified and redesignated over time, kind of like the progression of the M16>M16A1>M16A2>M4 but they've all built on the original design, which is probably the one thing McClellan got absolutely right in his military career :-)

19 posted on 07/05/2010 9:26:58 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
...actually, I did a little quick research, and it appears the McClellan saddle was actually used operationally by mounted Military Police in Germany up until 1957. I'm assuming the SF who have been using horses in Afghanistan since 2001 have been employing indigenous tack, but apart from a few photos I can't be sure...they might still be using them there in some manner or form.
20 posted on 07/05/2010 9:36:51 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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