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1 posted on 07/01/2010 10:04:23 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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Haven’t these guys heard about the Shrike?


2 posted on 07/01/2010 10:05:24 PM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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3 posted on 07/01/2010 10:05:36 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ( "Fortes fortuna adiuvat"-Fortune Favors the Strong)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Perhaps some 0300s will comment, but that doesn’t seem like a very robust magazine capacity for a squad weapon.


4 posted on 07/01/2010 10:10:19 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: sonofstrangelove
HK M27 IAR Infantry Automatic Rifle

5 posted on 07/01/2010 10:12:52 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: sonofstrangelove

A friend who recently retired hated the SAW and it’s 5.56 bullets. He said when you need a machine gun, you really need a MACHINE GUN, not a 5.56.


6 posted on 07/01/2010 10:15:31 PM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: sonofstrangelove
[. . .high-capacity magazines that can hold 50 or 100 rounds of 5.56mm ammo. . .]

The junior guy in the squad will probably have to hump the extra magazines and reload them.

8 posted on 07/01/2010 10:23:54 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: sonofstrangelove

I’m not real bright but isn’t a belt fed weapon desirable for a squad?


9 posted on 07/01/2010 10:28:48 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: sonofstrangelove
If the squad needs a machine gun, they need a machine gun, not another rifle. This makes no sense to me. Follow the money cause somebody got paid off.

I know we could argue about the caliber all day, but If I needed a round of suppressive fire, I would choose the .308 with a belt, not just another mag fed 5.56. The other guys in the squad could give me that. The SAW was for special occasions that needed a special weapon.

10 posted on 07/01/2010 10:30:20 PM PDT by chuckles
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Hmmmm...Doesn't this violate the: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" concept?

Of course, my oldest grandson told me I wouldn't be satisfied unless the Corps went back to an M1 Garand...I did so enjoy the ping as the clip was ejected...

15 posted on 07/01/2010 11:01:18 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Maybe they could replace the SAW qith a reliable, proven system, say

RPK (or RPKM) - oh, wait, it has only a 40 rd magazine

OK - how about a RPK-74
Oh, wait, it’s magazine fed as well./

Ok, how about a PK
250 rd belt, oh, wait, too much like an M-60 - called the Hog for a reason.

The Brits L86A1? - 5.56 and - yup - magazine fed.

Well, Oz troopies use the Lithgow F89, Standard Light Pattern. Nope, just the SAW with a different name.

JSDF use the SAW, so no help from them.

The Singaporean army adopted the new squad automatic weapon, known as Ultimax 100, in 1982. Uses a 100 rd drum magazine. Uses 5.56 NATO. So, maybe this one - eh?

New Zealand - nope, they use the SAW

How about the Swiss SIG MG 51? An updated MG-42 the grunt in your squad better be prepared to hump some ammo, they bad boy can shew it up.

Norwegian Army? NOpe, the SAW again.

The Germans will use the H&K MG4 - belt fed 5.56 NATO.

France? NOpe, the SAW once more.

My point? Not a whole lot of choice out there. THe few that are different are , by and large, magazine fed. Maybe we can score some of those Unimat 100 rd magazines....


17 posted on 07/02/2010 12:03:33 AM PDT by ASOC (Things are not always as they appear, ask the dog chasing the car)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Here’s a clip of the IAR at the testing ground (the IAR demonstration starts around the 4 minute mark on the video):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVHLvtArC_g

I dunno enough about infantry tactics to say whether it will be an effective replacement for the SAW or not. It kind of reminds me (conceptually) of a throwback to the Browning Automatic Rifle, though admittedly a lot lighter and more compact.


21 posted on 07/02/2010 1:01:09 AM PDT by DemforBush (Serpentine, Shel! SERPENTINE!)
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My understanding as to why the M27 is being seriously considered as a SAW replacement is:

22 posted on 07/02/2010 2:10:26 AM PDT by fso301
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To: sonofstrangelove

If they are going back to a Mag fed SAW, why not just give the old M1918’s a go. At least you have a solid .30 cal round with them.


24 posted on 07/02/2010 3:16:12 AM PDT by CapnJack
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30 posted on 07/02/2010 8:34:21 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Why not a 7.62x39 SAW in regions where there is plenty of supplemental ammo locally? It may not always be ideal, but if your run out 5.56, you’re SOL. Whereas if you capture enemy combatants and/or a cache, you’ve just re-supplied in the field.


34 posted on 07/02/2010 9:05:17 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: sonofstrangelove

This thing is supposed to replace a belt fed weapon and they put the magazine well on the bottom?


38 posted on 07/02/2010 9:13:10 PM PDT by sig226 (Mourn this day, the death of a great republic. March 21, 2010)
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