Posted on 06/30/2010 7:10:04 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
For atheist human rights activist, crucifix in Italian classrooms not against secularism
Nirmala Carvalho
According to Lenin Raghuvanshi, “Human rights and democracy do not exist in a vacuum, in a value-neutral space. Denying the identity, culture and history of a society is a violation of secularism and human rights.”
New Delhi (AsiaNews) – “The crucifix in Italian classrooms is not a tradition that goes against the values of secularism,” Indian human rights activist Lenin Raghuvanshi told AsiaNews.
“A secular education means learning from history and logic. Jesus Christ brought peace, reconciliation, non-violence and justice in the world,” said Raghuvanshi who was just awarded the 2010 City of Weimar Human Rights Prize. “It is important that children study this historical personality.”
For the activist, who is atheist, the future of democracy and human rights depends “on ethical views that are the basis of a culture,” which “cannot be separated from that culture without destroy it. Human rights and democracy do not exist in a vacuum, in a value-neutral space. Denying the identity, culture and history of a society is a violation of secularism and human rights.”
The Grand Chamber of the European Court of Human Rights, which acts as the institution’s appeal court, today began examining an appeal launched by Italy against a sentence the court itself issued on 3 November 2009 against the presence of the crucifix in Italian classrooms, deemed a violation of pupils’ religious freedom.
Jesus said, "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household." Matthew 10:32-36.
Jesus came to bring peace between man and God, to those to repent.
This person is either incredibly stupid, or purposefully deceitful.
I've come to the conclusion that those people who oppose the existance of a Creator do so because they want to destroy our God-given freedoms. Since our freedoms come not from government but from God, the easiest way to get rid of our freedoms is to get rid of God.
>> atheist human rights activist
Haha.
What I find truly amazing is that atheists don’t see the inherent contradiction in that. If there is no God, then “rights” are simply a fabrication of men and government ... and thus can be granted or taken away by the same powers that fabricated them, and therefore are not “rights”.
It is the notion that we are endowed by a Creator (whose judgment cannot be overruled) which makes the concept of “rights” logically functional.
SnakeDoc
“atheist human rights activist”
Is that like a peaceloving-car bombing, Islamic-Catholic, Pro abortion-pro Life, pacifist warmonger?
Lefties are fond of adjectives. It’s almost as if the adjective is more important than the person.
The atheists at these places go far enough to proclaim that Jesus the man was a legend or a myth.
He came to replace justice with grace.
Those who want to separate church and state in the USA could learn from this guy—”human rights don’t exist in a vacuum”.
Without a moral basis to society, and without that society’s understanding of its past, those rights may be lost.
Some would argue without a moral base, freedom cannot survive. I would argue without a moral base, a society cannot survive freedom.
That's it exactly.
I'd say deceitful. There's always tactic when it comes to atheists. I never trust them.
You're absolutely right. Look at what uncivilized people or wild animals do with their freedom.
Nicely done!
“What I find truly amazing is that atheists don’t see the inherent contradiction in that. If there is no God, then “rights” are simply a fabrication of men and government ... and thus can be granted or taken away by the same powers that fabricated them, and therefore are not “rights”.”
—But rights CAN be taken away. It happens all the time. This is why we have to stay vigilant and fight to keep our rights.
Rights are not taken away, they are violated.
It is a question of legitimacy. If rights are granted by government, they can be legitimately taken away by government. If rights are endowed by God, they cannot be legitimately taken away by government ... they can only be violated by government.
SnakeDoc
The person who complained about the crucifix was not Italian - she is Finnish. From the wonderful nation that is along with Sweden the most far-left socialist country of the socialistic scum that is the EUSSR.
A country that joined forces with the axis in WWII, yet was not occupied, never razed to the ground, and basically never forced to learn the hard way the cost of embracing evil ideologies. A country where religion forgotten and buried, anti-semitism is ripe, the most vile anti-Israeli attacks are common, and if you don’t hate Israel and the USA, people think there is something wrong with you.
That probably explains why it was her, and not one of the Italian natives, who raised the fuss.
If she doesn’t like a crucifix, why does she insist on living a country where christianity is still practiced, instead of returning to her socialist-atheist home country? That is the question the court should have asked her, instead of forcing one of the last places in Europe where conservative christians can still get elected to change it’s ways to accomodate the atheistic socialists.
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