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Jordan is Palestine (Geert Wilders)
Spectator UK ^ | Monday, 21st June 2010 | Melanie Phillips

Posted on 06/21/2010 4:36:00 PM PDT by PapaBear3625

The Dutch politician Geert Wilders has hit the bullseye:

‘Jordan is Palestine,’ said Wilders, who heads the third-largest party in Holland. ‘Changing its name to Palestine will end the conflict in the Middle East and provide the Palestinians with an alternate homeland...There has been an independent Palestinian state since 1946, and it is the kingdom of Jordan.’ Wilders also called on the Dutch government to refer to Jordan as Palestine and move its embassy to Jerusalem.
Wilders has spoken the big inconvenient truth. As a result, it is inevitably being dismissed as merely what ‘the right’ regularly says. So of course it's untrue, on the grounds that, by definition, everything ‘the right’ says is untrue. Yadda yadda.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: hamas; israel; palestine; thereisnopalestine
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Geert Wilders' anti-Islam, pro-Israel, pro-free-market party in the Netherlands tripled their election results from the prior election, coming in third with 24 seats out of 150. One would rationally think that the two center-right parties would form a coalition with Wilders to get a majority and control the Dutch Parliament.

But NOOOO. Wilders' anti-Islam stance has the Christian Democrats unwilling to enter a coalition that contains Wilders, so even though conservatives won the election, they will be forced to have a coalition with left-wing Labour.

1 posted on 06/21/2010 4:36:00 PM PDT by PapaBear3625
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To: PapaBear3625

Geert Wilder’s fierce Walloon blood is apumpin...


2 posted on 06/21/2010 4:38:09 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: PapaBear3625
Jordan is Palestine

A breath of fresh air. He is right, the original "Palestine Mandate" divided Trans-Jordan into an Arab and Jewish states. Then England changed their Arab-loving minds. After they hastily created the Kingdom of Jordan, then they had the gall to say that what remained should be divided. Funny that their Empire was divided shortly thereafter...
3 posted on 06/21/2010 4:42:14 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: PapaBear3625
‘Jordan is Palestine,’ said Wilders, who heads the third-largest party in Holland. ‘Changing its name to Palestine will end the conflict in the Middle East and provide the Palestinians with an alternate homeland...There has been an independent Palestinian state since 1946, and it is the kingdom of Jordan.’ Wilders also called on the Dutch government to refer to Jordan as Palestine and move its embassy to Jerusalem.

Its been said a hundred times here and we'll continue to say it. But Wilders seems to be one of the few national and international figures to say it out loud.

In 1947 Palestine was divided into two territories. A sliver for the jewish palestinians and the rest for the arab palestinians. Jewish Palestine was renamed Israel. Arab Palestine was renamed Jordan.

The mokes who keep going on about a two state solution seem to have missed the fact that the two-state solution was imposed six decades ago.

4 posted on 06/21/2010 4:48:33 PM PDT by marron
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Geert Wilders: ‘If Jerusalem falls, Athens and Rome are next’

For a European politician, he has a talent for annoying Muslim groups.

5 posted on 06/21/2010 4:51:57 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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What have I been saying for YEARS???


6 posted on 06/21/2010 4:52:26 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (SPEAK UP REPUBLICANS, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU YET! IMPEACH OBAMA!)
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To: PapaBear3625

He is absolutely correct. Those who call themselves Palestinians are not native to the Israel territories, they are refugees or criminals from other nations. The native Muslim population actually lives side by side with the Jewish population and don’t set themselves apart as part of Palestine(sic). This is something you will never, ever hear from the media or most politicians.


7 posted on 06/21/2010 4:55:20 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Tennessee Nana
Geert Wilder’s fierce Walloon blood is apumpin...

Geert is Dutch. The Walloons are the French-speaking Belgians. But, yes, he is fierce.

He produced the movie Fitna about Islam, and is a target for assassination by Muslims. His predecessor in Dutch Politics, Pim Fortuyn, was assassinated in 2002 for speaking out against Islam. Geert is a brave man who is not afraid of martyrdom.

8 posted on 06/21/2010 5:05:41 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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Wilders also called on the Dutch government to refer to Jordan as Palestine and move its embassy to Jerusalem.

Really? Isn't this sort of like asking to move the Dutch embassy to Italy to Paris?

ML/NJ

9 posted on 06/21/2010 5:06:49 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Tennessee Nana

Since Wilder promotes the unification of Belgian Flanders with the Netherlands, I would assume he is Flemish not Walloon.


10 posted on 06/21/2010 5:10:05 PM PDT by Procyon (An well-armed society is a polite society.)
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To: Tzfat

Even a large percentage of the Jordanian population list themselves as “Palestinian”. Their king’s wife, too, is actually the daughter of Palestinian “refugees”.


11 posted on 06/21/2010 5:14:15 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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Wilders should make it a twofer and pronounce Global Warming to be the hoax that it is. The two liberal sacred cows are “Palestine” and “Global Warming” and each are as fraudulent as a three card monte operation.


12 posted on 06/21/2010 5:17:07 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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I really like Geert and Melanie Phillips (writer of the article). They both have a lot of guts.

Sadly slimy people like Abe Foxman of the ADL is against Wilders. Conservative Jews support Geert.


13 posted on 06/21/2010 5:29:16 PM PDT by Frantzie (Democrats = Party of I*lam)
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Really? Isn't this sort of like asking to move the Dutch embassy to Italy to Paris?

Geert said to "move its [Israeli] embassy from Ramat Gan [a suburb of Tel Aviv] to Jerusalem."

14 posted on 06/21/2010 5:30:55 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: HighlyOpinionated

Ditto.
Me too.


15 posted on 06/21/2010 5:30:57 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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Sadly slimy people like Abe Foxman of the ADL is against Wilders. Conservative Jews support Geert.

Why am I not surprised that Foxman attacked Wilders because Wilders spoke out against Islam. The ADL is a far-Left front organization masquerading as a pro-Jewish organization.

16 posted on 06/21/2010 5:38:38 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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Oh I know what a Walloon was...

Thats why I said that...

You just dont understand what I meant or why I said it...

Walloons were not just from a certain place...

Jesse the Walloon was from Avesnes, Hainaut, France ...


17 posted on 06/21/2010 5:45:16 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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A good article, though Wilders is wrong. Jordan is a nation with no historic context carved out of the Jewish Homeland when the Sauds threw their Hashemite brothers out of their millenia long home in Arabia. Palestinians are largely Syrians, South Syrians they called themselves in the day, and Egyptians, with assorted Arabs looking for a job thrown in.

18 posted on 06/21/2010 5:54:50 PM PDT by SJackson (most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it, M Sanger)
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These people have done nothing but cause problems where ever they've gone.

WHY DID JORDAN EXPEL PLO?

During the Lebanese Civil War of 1982, the PLO first fought against Maronite Christian militias, notably the Phalange and the Lebanese Forces of Bachir Gemayel, then against Israel, then, finally against the Syrian-supported Amal militia.

The Israeli Air Force launched Operation Mole Cricket 19, with the Israeli air force winning a dramatic victory over Syrian aircraft, shooting down 29 Syrian planes and also destroying 17 Syrian anti-aircraft missile batteries, with no losses of its own. Israeli aircraft also pounded PLO targets in Beirut, and Israeli gunboats shelled the coastal roads in order to cut PLO supply lines. Israeli forces fought their way into the Syrian-held town of Sultan Yacoub. They became surrounded, but managed to break out. Sultan Yacoub was one of the few objectives the IDF decisively failed to take in the war. The Israelis swept through Lebanon, pushing towards Beirut. To cut off any PLO retreat routes, the Israeli Navy landed a force of tanks, armored vehicles, and paratroopers north of Sidon. soon reached Beirut but were determined to drive the PLO from southern Lebanon. Tyre and Sidon (major cities in South Lebanon, still within the 40-kilometre (25 mi) limit) were heavily damaged, and the Lebanese capital Beirut was shelled by Israeli artillery, and bombed by Israeli aircraft for ten weeks, killing both PLO members and civilians. Israeli troops captured Beirut Airport and several southern suburbs of the city in heavy fighting.

The Israeli Air Force shot down 86 Syrian aircraft, with no air combat losses of its own. This was the largest combat of the jet age with 150 fighters from both sides.[43] It also performed ground attacks, notably destroying the majority of Syrian anti-aircraft batteries stationed in Lebanon. AH-1 Cobra helicopter gunships were used widely against Syrian armor and fortifications. The IAF Cobras destroyed dozens of Syrian Armored fighting vehicles, including some of the modern Soviet T-72 main battle tanks.

An agreement was reached later in 1982, and American, French, and Italian peacekeepers, known as the Multinational Force in Lebanon, sent more than 14,000 PLO combatants out of the country in August and September. About 6,500 Fatah fighters relocated from Beirut to Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Sudan, both North and South Yemen, Greece, and Tunisia—the latter of which became the new PLO headquarters. Philip Habib, Ronald Reagan's envoy to Lebanon, provided an understanding (i.e., assurance) to the PLO that the Palestinian civilians in the refugee camps would not be harmed. However, the United States Marines left West Beirut two weeks before the end of their official mandate following the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing.

If but for the U.S. negotiated cease-fire in 1982, the PLO would've been obliterated by Israel and everything that occured subsequently would've been moot.

In the 1985-1988 War of the Camps, Amal and other pro-Syrian militias besieged Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon to drive out supporters of Arafat. Many thousands of Palestinians died of violence and starvation. After the Amal siege ended, there was a great deal of intra-Palestinian fighting in the camps.

19 posted on 06/21/2010 6:03:41 PM PDT by raygun
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20 posted on 06/21/2010 6:32:01 PM PDT by Rumplemeyer
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