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Ex-teacher learns the hard way (Attacks conservative student on blog, gets fired)
Philly.com ^ | Wed, Jun. 9, 2010 | Dan Hardy

Posted on 06/09/2010 8:18:01 AM PDT by denydenydeny

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To: denydenydeny

She sure doesn’t know how to pick her targets, the dad is a financial contributor to her former employer, that’s like arguing with the boss.


41 posted on 06/09/2010 9:14:15 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

*Please* tell me he wasn’t an engineering professor...


42 posted on 06/09/2010 9:15:31 AM PDT by sauropod (The truth shall make you free but first it will make you miserable.)
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To: Frantzie

I’m with ya on this, Frantzie...I’m with ya.


43 posted on 06/09/2010 9:15:57 AM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: momtothree

Sounds like the rancher’s son standing up to an English teacher that made the comment that no one person had a right to own more land than another- told the rancher’s son that his father owned more land than was “fair” and people should only own enough land for a home- that way everyone could have a home. In other words he was trying to say it was the rancher’s fault that some people were homeless. Nothing in the equation about the land being for cattle production or anything like that. The rancher’s son told the teacher that sounded like communism and the teacher reported him to the office for showing disrespect. What land ownership has to do with English I have no idea.


44 posted on 06/09/2010 9:18:44 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: denydenydeny
...she added, "I realized I was dealing with some hard-core provincialism - not to mention intolerance of anything but ultraconservative views."

I guess there was nothing wrong with the extreme left-wing intolerance of her own views and the tone she used to deliver them.

45 posted on 06/09/2010 9:20:04 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: momtothree
During a discussion of WWII, she said that Hitler “didn’t have anything against the Jews... It was a political move”.

I wish she had said that in MY High School, where my German 3 and 4 teacher had "The Tattoo" with her ID number. Yes, she'd been in a KZ. Nicest lady you'd ever want to meet.
46 posted on 06/09/2010 9:28:47 AM PDT by BikerJoe
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To: DesScorp

the student wrote an essay critiquing the president, the teacher wrote a sample one of what the student SHOULD have written with her own views that essentially trashed Bush and praised Obama. and the student didn’t get it? the only thing wrong with the student’s paper was that she was conservative and not liberal.


47 posted on 06/09/2010 9:35:14 AM PDT by tioga (Remember in November.)
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To: rlmorel

Okay, you hooked me. What’s the color?


48 posted on 06/09/2010 9:36:03 AM PDT by Freedom_Fighter_2001
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To: AFreeBird
Touche...
49 posted on 06/09/2010 9:43:51 AM PDT by animal172 (I would have been here sooner, but I just got here.)
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To: Freedom_Fighter_2001
LOL...in actuality, that just popped into my head from the Jim Carrey movie "Liar Liar" where he is a lawyer who cannot tell a lie, and his mother calls him and asks why he never returns her calls, and since he can't lie, he says "Because, Mom, you insist on discussing your bowel movements, size...Color...FREQUENCY...!"

I know he is a liberal dipstick, but I got more laughs out of that movie than nearly any I have seen in the past 20 years, maybe with the exception of "Team America"...


50 posted on 06/09/2010 9:45:58 AM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: rlmorel

LOL,

I’m in your camp on this issue.

And I fully agree about a loss of FR.


51 posted on 06/09/2010 9:46:49 AM PDT by Col Freeper (FR is a smorgasbord of Conservative thoughts and ideas - dig in and enjoy it to its fullest!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
She is a lot more intent on political indoctrination than on education.

To all too many of these types, the political indoctrination *is* the education, nothing less...

the infowarrior

52 posted on 06/09/2010 10:01:20 AM PDT by infowarrior
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To: BikerJoe

My German teacher had been in the hitler youth and his father had been in the SS. He was a unrepentant nazi and actually brought in his fathers medals one day to show off. The guy was very wierd and the school district eventually “invited” him to seek employment elsewhere. Oh yeah, he was ultra liberal of course.

I wonder if he reads this teachers blog?


53 posted on 06/09/2010 10:02:53 AM PDT by Tailback
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To: denydenydeny

Collins said, “I realized I was dealing with some hard-core provincialism - not to mention intolerance of anything but ultraconservative views.”

Ding! Ding! Ding! You’ve just won the Commie of the Year award!

It’s the smarmy elitism that irks me most in our nation of late — particularly in school faculties. The actions of the school are promising.


54 posted on 06/09/2010 10:25:34 AM PDT by xander
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To: denydenydeny

At the risk of being the lone voice in the crowd, where did the teacher’s freedom of speech go?

She gave an assignment and felt that the girl did not fulfill it. The article says nothing about how the teacher responded in class, so we must assume that she responded appropriately, by not saying anything derogatory. Then, in a semi-anonymous blog (the article says that her name is posted and her occupation, but not school), she posts her “reply,” though of course it is not an actual reply, as the student does not see it as far as we know.

This is not a political attack - it’s the act of a teacher venting her frustrations. Do I agree with her politics? Nope, but I do agree with her method of doing so. If she had named the student, or even the school, or posted the speech on her blog, that’s a different story, as it points out the student, but she didn’t. Also, did she give out the link to her blog to her students, or did the parents just happen to find it?

Then, when the parents complained about the post, she did not defy them, but took it down immediately.

The email also complained about two previous comments by the teacher, but for the one about keeping her maiden name, that was prompted by questions from the students, according to the article.

I ask again, when did the teacher’s freedom to free speech disappear? Freedom is a two-way street - she has the right to express her opinions, and since she did not name the student (or even the school!) I do think this is an overreaction.


55 posted on 06/09/2010 10:53:35 AM PDT by Snuke
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To: Snuke
At the risk of being the lone voice in the crowd, where did the teacher’s freedom of speech go?

It didn't go anywhere. Kind of a misunderstood right, in my humble opinion. She has the right to say anything she wants. The government does not have the right to tell her otherwise. Other citizens have the right to not like her speech. Choices in life have consequences. In summary, she exercised her free speech rights without government interference, and other citizens delivered consequences of her speech to her. They system worked.
56 posted on 06/09/2010 11:49:29 AM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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To: rigelkentaurus

I agree, definitely a misunderstood right, very sticky and difficult to resolve fairly. What galls me is how, since the teacher is liberal and the parents conservative, everyone on this site immediately agrees with the parents. It should not be so one-sided; if it is such a sticky issue, both sides are entitled to their free speech as well as their right to disagree with others. However, it seems that the parent’s right to free speech is greater than the teacher’s.

IMO, the teacher had the right to post what she did - considering the lack of identifying facts - and the parents had the right to disagree. They asked her to take off the blog, so she did. Justice served.


57 posted on 06/09/2010 12:12:16 PM PDT by Snuke
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To: Snuke

The teacher had no right to post what she did.

It wasn’t truly anonymous - the pupil was identified. Everyone in that class knew who the teacher was bullying when they read her blog.

Free speech doesn’t mean that teachers can freely attack their students outside of school. If the teacher had made the same statements in a shopping mall in front of the children would anyone consider it ‘free speech’ rather than harassment? Then why should things be any different on the internet? The leftist indoctrinator got exactly what she deserved here.


58 posted on 06/09/2010 12:24:38 PM PDT by LastNorwegian
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To: Snuke
IMO, the teacher had the right to post what she did - considering the lack of identifying facts - and the parents had the right to disagree. They asked her to take off the blog, so she did. Justice served.

I'm good with everything you wrote, but would add that the school, in a free country, also has the right of association, and if they decided they didn't want to associate with this teacher, they should be allowed to have that choice.
59 posted on 06/09/2010 12:50:23 PM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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To: DesScorp; SWAMPSNIPER
From the article:
One Saturday in February, she posted her thoughts about a student's presentation in her English class at the Academy of Notre Dame de Namur, an all-girls private school in Villanova. She criticized its tone and political outlook.

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Collins added that she felt "annoyance" because she disagreed with the politics of the speech and "dismay" that her message about the right tone was not getting through.

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Collins maintains that she was the target of an unjustified attack by the Whites that was largely motivated by what she called in one e-mail to the school their "clear political intolerance" toward her views.

From her blog:
...obviously people are "stalking" me online and keeping a tally of what I say, how I vote, and my stance on the issues.
Her political views, how she votes, and stance on the issues are wholly immaterial, irrelevent and absolutely not germane to teaching English whatsoever. While the student apparently failed to comply with the requirements for the assignment, the teacher's actions were far from 'conciliatory' in and of themselves.

The ONLY thing that the teacher can critique about the essay are mechanical issues, e.g., essay format, i.e., essay introductory statement, introductory paragraph content, thesis statement, body paragraph detail, body paragraph leading thesis-statement, conclusion statement and concluding paragraph content.

For example, the introduction should be designed to attract the reader's attention and give an idea to the reader of the essay's focus and to generate interest to continue reading. One should never cite opinion as fact in an essay. Moreover, one should absolutely abstain from the use of cliche', e.g., 'it goes without saying, bla bla bla' Obviously grammer, spelling and punctuation are to be totally hammered (regardless of the content of the essay).

This was apparently a 'creative writing' assignment, and so the topic would be at the student's discretion. However, the student had to conform to the requirements. This doesn't strike me as an essay where the topic is defined, e.g., themes in literature (define the literary devices that Nathanial Hawthorne uses in A Young Goodman Brown for character sketch, establishing the setting, or the use of foreshadowing, or point of view). Moreover, if the assignment was to compare or contrast two things, the content of the essay MUST address that reqruiremt. In these cases there is absolutely no lattitude for the student.

A conciliatory argument is not one that is antagonistic, offends, ridicules, belittles the reader's own views (or is overtly hostile), but is intended to assuage, garner sympathy for the writer's viewpoint, and intended to gain the goodwill or favor. A diatribe can not be considered to be 'conciliatory' in any sense or connotation of the word. If the writing 'style' failed to address those aspects of the assignment, then those are the qualities of the essay that deserved to be severely scored.

Most argumentive essys will require to defend a position, either for or against. In fact, most instructors who intend on teaching intellectual discipline will poll students positions on any arbitrary matter, and assign them to defend or argue a contrary position. If one truly wants to learn how to write an essay, try to write an essay defending abortion when one is hostile anti-abortion; that is truly an excercise in intellectual discipline.

It would be interesting to ascertain the degree of 'conciliatory' of tone the teacher's 'model' anti-Bush rebuttal essay contained. Sounds like this instructor wears their political ideologies on their sleeve for all to see. Whenever instructors wax and pontificate about political issues, students should question whether that specific material will on any exams forthcoming, or not. I absolutely relish being able to hijack classroom discussions all the way to Alpha-Centauri. In fact, whenever the instructor asks the class if there are any questions, I always inquire, "So, what's up with that whole Mid-East peace thing and do you think it'll ever be resolved?"

60 posted on 06/09/2010 1:40:04 PM PDT by raygun
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