Footage of Polish air crash emerges claiming to show Russian-speaking men shooting survivors

Daily Mail U.K. ^ | May 13, 2010 | Will Stewart

[theanchoragedailyruse]

Russia was last night facing claims of a cover up over the Polish presidential air crash after a series of shocking allegations emerged concerning the doomed Tupolev-154 in which head of state Lech Kaczynski died. Most extraordinary was the emergence of confusing footage which claimed to show the shooting of survivors by armed Russian-speaking men minutes after the crash.

The video, posted on the internet in recent days, has fuelled conspiracy theories suggesting that the crash was not an accident.

[theanchoragedailyruse]

The video in question has been posted for weeks. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2492628/posts

The fact is Polish authorities are trying to speak to the person who took the video. As has been the case with this video, internet sites have been spreading rumors on the death of the person.

But the person lives in Smolensk and is known.

The other fact is this video has been kept out of the mainstream media for the month it has been seen by millions.

With such footage and it being authenticated, it is odd until now that it was never written about.

The person who took the footage would have first-hand account of what he heard and saw.

As of now, the Russian authorities will not allow the polish authorities to speak with the individual.

The Russian authorities state the video is a hoax.

[MrEdd]

The cellphone camera has utterly changed the information control game.

[Jewbacca]

The Russians spoofed the approach radar and caused the plane (flying IFR) to hit the ground, thinking it was near the runway.

It’s very easy to do.

[Travis McGee]

Paging Ron Brown.

[funfan]

Of course it is a hoax—why would anyone want to harm any of the officials on the planewhat would be to gain from the demise of the officials.
Funny thing that strikes me is that is the day I beleive that Obama was MIA for reporters ya know the day he went to his daughters basketballgame

[TexasTransplant]

**** “ Paging Ron Brown “ *****

First thing I thought of

TT

[vigilante2]

It's hard to believe there were any survivors of that crash.

[cripplecreek]

Does it explain why the cameramen were still breathing?

[Spunky]

Were not some of the bodies returned to Poland? Wouldn’t they have been able to tell if they were shot?

[itsahoot]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2492628/posts

Been scrubbed I guess, the YouTube link doesn't go to that video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkEmHSIVDwE

[Tarpon]

But why?

[Thud]

ping

[Dallas59]

The video...

[theanchoragedailyruse]

Would you have said the same thing in this crash?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/13/world/middleeast/13libya.html
Jet Crashes in Libya; Boy Is Said to Be Sole Survivor

And it has happened with others.

[panaxanax]

“Paging Ron Brown.”

I don’t think he’ll answer that page. I also don’t doubt for one minute that Russia isn’t capable of doing exactly what the video showed. Of course, the truth will come out with Putin leading the investigation. /s

Watch your back, my FRiend.

[Bon mots]

Of course they would let people filming the carnage just walk away to post the video on Youtube.

[crazydad]

Yes like in Die Hard 2 just make the ILS altitude seem Higher then it is.. Plane comes in to fast and hits... Thats all she wrote.

[vigilante2]

This was a different type of crash, the plane landed belly up and skidded

[theanchoragedailyruse]

On the thread, you will see the time it was posted on FR to when the account of the orginal post on YouTube was deleted.

[cripplecreek]

I’m reminded of the Italian journalist who claimed American troops were trying to assasinate her.....right before they gave her medical treatment and put her on a plane to italy.

[theanchoragedailyruse]

I am sure the Russians knew he was there. /s

[theanchoragedailyruse]

Right, and I am sure if this story was applied to the story where the boy survived you would say hey, it landed on its belly and there could be survivors.

BTW where the alleged shooting occured, the tail section is in pretty good shape.

[Jewbacca]

President Lech Kaczynski was extremely conservative and was setting out to destroy the remnants of socialism in Poland and an active obstical to the secular EU.

He was also active in the early solidarity movement, which surely pissed off Putin.

The plane was filled with top generals, etc.

Pro-non-Obama USA. Pro-West. Pro-Israel.

Target of Obama and Putin.

[Carley]

There is a report now that the Russians gained classified data when they found the computers in the wreckage.

While the codes have been changed for future the data that was in the computers is in the hands of the Russians.

[MHGinTN]

Ron is not available, he has a .45 ACP hole in his head and can’t come to the phone.

[plain talk]

Old BS being recycled. It does NOT show anyone shooting anyone. It doesn't even show any people or remains of people but just plane wreckage. There are what sounds like rounds going off in the fire that conspiracy wackos think must mean someone is shooting someone.

Even my Polish friends I correspond with in Warsaw believe this was just an unfortunate accident. If the Russians wanted to assassinate these Polish people there are far less conspicuous ways to do it then shooting down a plane with a a foreign leader's President aboard as it lands in your country. This notion that Russians downed the plane is as absurd as the 9/11 conspiracy theories.

[the invisib1e hand]

well, that's hardly an irrefutable piece of evidence. I guess those are gunshots in the background at the end, but wdik?

Anyway, who in thier right mind suspected anything but foul play when they first heard of this? Just like when we all learned of the second plane hitting the Twin Towers, we all knew...even when Dan Rather said we couldn't know...

[Tarpon]

hmmmmm ...

[theanchoragedailyruse]

Then let the polish authorities talk with the vidographer since he has a first-hand account.

[the invisib1e hand]

The cellphone camera has utterly changed the information control game.

Yeah, now it's all about perception-control.

[MHGinTN]

And Alinsky tactics, like in #26 above, ridiculing.

[Ecliptic]

Russian killers just happened to be exactly where the plane crashed. They were able to position themselves so as to not get hit by the crashing plane: What a plan!!! Ridiculous.

The sounds did NOT sound like gunshots to me.

[tflabo]

I was reading a You Tube blog from a Polish site. They said some of the voices they heard prior to the gunshots were in Polish. Highly suspicious that the Russians did shoot some survivors from that video.

[plain talk]

the guy’s video doesn’t show squat. I’ve seen it. Fodder for fools.

[ETL]

This notion that Russians downed the plane is as absurd as the 9/11 conspiracy theories.

Bullshit! The Russians are capable of just about anything, especially with an SOB like KGB Putin in charge. He's had numerous reporters, political opponents and former KGB agents who were spilling the beans on him murdered.

[surfer]

It has been reported that the video-taker was shot in a random robbery, he survived and was taken to the hospital and then was killed by 3 people who entered his room.

The Russian government has claimed it is all a coincidence.

[surfer]

The plane cartwheeled like Sioux City there were survivors in that crash to. All depends on where you are and where the plane breaks into sections if you escape the fire you could live.

[historyrepeatz]

The other fact is this video has been kept out of the mainstream media for the month it has been seen by millions.

I Thought for a moment you might be talking about the numerous videos of the following communists appointed by Obama: Van Jones, Anita Dunn, Cas Sunstein, Kagan, Liu, etc..

[surfer]

Amazing how that gun discharged right into his skull when the plane crashed...amazing coincidence...

Only possible with Progressives and Communists...

[the invisib1e hand]

well, for one simple thing, there’s a great deal more reason to suspect the Russians of such a thing — think polonium, for instance — than to entertain a 911 conspiracy “theory.”

[ETL]

Yushchenko: Russia blocking poisoning probe
By Bonnie Malkin and agencies, September 12, 2007

Mr Yushchenko before and after the poisoning

"Mr [Viktor] Yushchenko, a pro-European politician who wanted to bring his country out of Russia's shadow, fell seriously ill on September 6, 2004 as he was competing in presidential elections against a pro-Moscow candidate, Viktor Yanukovich, now prime minister.

After months of tests in an Austrian clinic, it was determined that he had ingested a massive amount of the poison dioxin.

Although he survived, his face was left bloated and pockmarked, and he has had to undergo regular treatment to rid his body of the toxin.

In an interview with Le Figaro he said he believed the dioxin used to disfigure him was made in a Russian lab.

Mr Yushchenko did not directly accuse the Russian government of being behind his poisoning, but he did say he had 'practically put all the pieces together' and the attempt against him 'was not a private action'. ..."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1562838/Yushchenko-Russia-blocking-poisoning-probe.html
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"Viktor Andriyovych Yushchenko (born February 23, 1954) [was] the third and [former] President of Ukraine". He took office on January 23, 2005.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yushchenko
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(Ukraine) Hunt starts for Yushchenko's poisoner:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/1478922/Hunt-starts-for-Yushchenko%27s-poisoner.html
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pro-Moscow Viktor Yanukovich, new president of the Ukraine

[ETL]

there’s a great deal more reason to suspect the Russians of such a thing — think polonium, for instance

From Heritage.org:

Putin's Poison?
by Peter Brookes, November 27, 2006
The death of former Russian spy, Alexander Litvinenko, last week from radioactive Polonium-210 poisoning is the latest in a series of politically motivated attacks on the outspoken opponents of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed112706a.cfm
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Blowing up Russia: The Secret Plot to Bring Back KGB Terror
by Alexander Litvinenko, Yuri Felshtinsky, Geoffrey Andrews and Co (Translator)

Synopsis: Blowing Up Russia contains the allegations of ex-spy Alexander Litvinenko against his former spymasters in Moscow which led to his being murdered in London in November 2006. In the book he and historian Yuri Felshtinsky detail how since 1999 the Russian secret service has been hatching a plot to return to the terror that was the hallmark of the KGB. Vividly written and based on Litvinenko's 20 years of insider knowledge of Russian spy campaigns, Blowing Up Russia describes how the successor of the KGB fabricated terrorist attacks and launched a war. Writing about Litvinenko, the surviving co-author recounts how the banning of the book in Russia led to three earlier deaths.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Blowing-up-Russia/Alexander-Litvinenko/e/9781594032011
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Alexander Litvinenko, the former Russian security agent fighting for his life in a UK hospital after allegedly being poisoned, has been a fierce critic of Vladimir Putin since before he became president in 2000.

Mr Litvinenko is thought to have been close to journalist Anna Politkovskaya, another opponent of the Kremlin who was shot dead last month, and said recently he was investigating her murder. It was after being handed documents apparently relating to the case that he was taken ill more than two weeks ago.

But he is perhaps best known for a book in which he alleges that agents co-ordinated the 1999 apartment block bombings in Russia that killed more than 300 people. He now appears to have fallen victim to the kind of plots which he wrote about.

Arrest

Mr Litvinenko, 43, first became a security agent under the Soviet-era KGB, rising to the rank of lieutenant-colonel in its later incarnations.

He is reported to have fallen out with Vladimir Putin, then head of the security service, in the late 1990s, after failing in attempts to crack down on corruption within the organisation. In 1998, he first came to prominence by exposing an alleged plot to assassinate the then powerful tycoon Boris Berezovsky, who himself now lives in self-imposed exile in the UK. He was subsequently arrested on charges of abusing his office and spent nine months in a remand centre before being acquitted.

In 1999 he wrote Blowing up Russia: Terror from Within, in which he accused the current Russian security service, the FSB, of carrying out several apartment house bombings in 1999 that killed more than 300 people. The attacks, which Moscow blamed on Chechen rebels, helped swing public opinion behind Russia's second war in the breakaway republic.

Petrol bombs

Complaining of persecution, in 2000 Mr Litvinenko fled to the UK where he sought, and was granted, asylum. But after settling in an unnamed London suburb, the former spy continued to behave as if on the run, constantly changing his contact details. The Times newspaper reported that over the summer someone tried to push a pram loaded with petrol bombs at his front door. Appearing alongside high-profile opponents of President Putin, he has continued to make allegations about his former bosses. Perhaps most notably, he alleged that al-Qaeda number two Ayman al-Zawahiri was trained by the FSB in Dagestan in the years before 9/11.

http://www.cicentre.com/Documents/litvinenko.html

[mick]

You are absolutely right......the sounds are probably rounds going off from the Polish security weapons in the fire....people love this sort of crap......plus the video itself shows nobody doing anything but walking around.

[ETL]

Symposium: To Kill a Russian Journalist
By Jamie Glazov
FrontPageMagazine.com | November 17, 2006

The murder of internationally renowned Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya in early October 2006 was yet another troubling sign of Russia’s retreat into its totalitarian past. Today Frontpage Symposium has gathered a distinguished panel of experts to discuss why Anna Politkovskaya was killed and what the tragic loss of her life symbolizes about the direction in which Vladimir Putin’s Russia is heading.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=BDBFAEF5-5295-400F-807B-83D20FFA285C
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'PUTIN'S RUSSIA' by Anna Politkovskaya:
http://www.annapolitkovskaya.com/

[ETL]

From AP via FoxNews.com...

Last Living Beslan School Attacker Sentenced to Life in Prison
May 28, 2006

VLADIKAVKAZ, Russia — AP
A southern Russian court on Friday sentenced the sole surviving Beslan school attacker to life in prison, capping a yearlong trial that survivors and victims' relatives say has left the most essential questions about the tragedy unanswered.

They demand to know just who bore the most responsibility: Nur-Pashi Kulayev and his 31 fellow militants, or the officials whose negligence or even alleged complicity allowed them to seize hundreds of children and parents on the first day of school in September 2004.

Countrywatch: Russia

"I did not go to court to become convinced of Kulayev's guilt, but to reconstruct all the circumstances of the terrorist attack and find the truth," said Aneta Gadiyeva, whose daughter was killed. "But I did not learn anything new and did not get any answers." ..."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,197093,00.html

[plain talk]

Whether Russians are capable of murder is not the issue. Putin was KGB, right? If he wants people murdered he knows how to do that and it involves far less conspicous means than taking down a plane carrying a foreign leader’s President as it lands in your country with dozens or hundreds of people as witnesses to shooting down the plane. There is no evidence for it and it makes zero sense. It is one of the more lamer ideas even considered at this site. Right up there with the 9/11 inside job fruitcakes

[vigilante2]

The boy didn’t walk away from the crash, he was all busted up

In this video they claim that a black man jumped from the cockpit and stated to run away. I find it hard to believe he was a passenger on that Polish plane

[mkjessup]

the guy’s video doesn’t show squat. I’ve seen it. Fodder for fools.

Thank you Comrade Talkski, your faith in the purity of the Soviet err, Russian authorities is truly inspiring.

See you next May Day at the Kremlin, are you buying the vodka and borscht or are we?

[The Bronze Titan]

Does anyone know what the Russian is saying in the video??

[vigilante2]

True