Posted on 05/03/2010 4:16:57 AM PDT by myknowledge
How many street people in NY would take their shirt off? They do everything else in public.
They are awful quick suggesting this guy.
Remember Richard Jewell?
“With today’s camera equipment this is the best footage they can get?”
It’s the best that they could get to support their propaganda.
Many people wear layered t-shirts, my sons do all the time! And yes I do remember Richard Jewell!
Kudos to Fox’s Brian Kilmeade for scoffing on-air at the description of this guy as “white”.
Of course we remember Richard Jewell who was blamed for the 1996 Olympic Park bombing.
And while Jewell was cleared of that terrorist attack that killed two and injured more than 100 people, we later found that the terrorist responsible for that Atlanta Terrorist Attack was Eric Robert Rudolph, better know as Eric Mohammed Robert Abdul Rudolph.
“It’s just a little too “convenient” for my tastes.
They are -terrified- of the power of the tea party and will use -any means necessary- to crush it.”
I agreed with you! I think much of what is in the news is scripted by the Obama revolutionaries. They so want to shut up the Tea Party dissent.
Notice how many of the Tea Party stories are done from the long lens rather than interviews. It would be dangerous for the media to give much personal time with a Tea Partier. The TPers for the most part have well thought out reasons based on fact for their opposition to what is happening to this country. Also, TPers are down to earth, middle class (upper to lower) Americans who love this country.
Hey! Logic is prohibited in the abomination, er..., I mean the obamanation.
It sounds as if there were 100's of people around...but this is NY...and today's world...no one notices and/or cares....
Thanks to the vendor and the cop and another 3rd rate terrorist and GOD, we got a pass again.
But then too...maybe it is part of a plan...Security people came out of the woodwork...Maybe they wanted to know where they were hiding.
As far as the video...kinda time they got over it. I'll bet the guy has already come forward....and they're screwing up his life roayally....
Janet...I'll give you a clue...Look for a Muslim....Homegrown like Hasan or International Terrorist doesn't make a damn difference.
While there are a number of possible perpetrators that can be conceived [and some that to many are inconceivable]; if you use the traditional investigative filters of motive, means, and opportunity the size of the group of suspects gets somewhat smaller.Motive: There is an obvious Islamic motivation. We have a continuous, related stream of examples, statements, etc. that goes back far before 9/11 and indeed back to a certain journey by a former merchant from Mecca to Medina.
They are not the only one, however. We have other enemies. It is not inconceivable that there are other entities, both national and ideological, who seek to do us harm. And there is the matter of domestic politics. There are those on the Left for which the current regime is too timid in imposing their version of a peoples’ paradise, or an ecological paradise without the intrusions of man, etc. And there are those who are tacitly and at times openly threatening violence if they do not get the privileged status of being above the law that we discussed in a previous thread. The same day that the bomb was found, there were, for instance massive demonstrations by thousands of foreign nationals in our country who insist that they are not subject to American law.
There are dangerous souls on the “Right” also, but any rational analysis of numbers and of incidents in the last generation indicate that they are relatively few and far between. There are more stock pseudo-Nazi caricature villians committing violent politically based crimes on the big 3 networks’ shows in any given year than there are in real life. One cannot say the same for the Left.
Let me add one of the “inconceivable” suspects. Given the actions of the current regime, and their open hostility to both the rule of law and the Constitution; one has to include the concept of a “Reichstag Fire” scenario into the mix. How that possibility is weighted will vary according to the beliefs of the evaluator.
Thus we have a fairly wide net to cast for possible suspects.
Let us move to means.
We have a car bomb/IED. It is based, apparently from the information that we have [and we most definitely do NOT have the full forensic details] on the idea of exploding compressed propane gas, ignited by liquid gasoline, and from some reports it was to be detonated by a command transmitted through a cell phone. It was apparently placed to detonate amongst civilians who are not being targeted personally [this does not rule out knowledge that a certain target was to pass by at the time of detonation, but we have no data indicating such at this time], and the explosive force was to be augmented by a jacket of nails to act as shrapnel. Do these means match any previous acts of a similar type, and by whom?
As has been noted in several forums, the use of a car bomb, parked in a public place, with propane gas main charge ignited by gasoline does match the bombings in London in June of 2007. What has not been widely noted is that the London bombs were apparently to be triggered by cell phones. One thing to watch for in New York, is to see of the NYPD started to search the area desperately for companion car bombs nearby. If they did, they were thinking along the same line as I am.
The London bombing attempts involved two car bombs. The first one found was just outside a nightclub that would have been packed with customers. The second bomb, if it had not been towed away for parking violations, would have been right where the survivors of the first blast would have fled to.
This bombing attack was part of a conspiracy that also reached up to Glasgow, Scotland. The day after the London bombs were found, a Jeep Cherokee car bomb was driven into the terminal of Glasgow Airport [this was during the peak school holiday travel period and while the airport was packed with families with children]. The explosive charge was to be, once again, propane gas in tanks set off by burning gasoline, jacketed in nails. There was no cell phone detonator as the driver and passenger intended to set it off themselves. Local police, a baggage handler, and a cab driver proceeded to beat the living dog feces out of the two in the Jeep [granted that they were on fire, but that did not inhibit their resistance or continuing to try to set off the main charge] and they were taken into custody, eventually convicted, and are in prison. Fortunately, there was no main charge detonation. There was also a fallback bomb for survivors. The nearest equivalent to a trauma center to the airport is the Royal Alexandra Hospital. At least one [and there are reports (unconfirmed) of a second] car bomb, with propane tanks, nails, gasoline ignition, and cell phone detonator were found in a parking lot next to the hospital building.
Similar bombs have been used against civilians in Israel, I think in India against Hindus, and against civilians in Iraq. The use of cell phones as detonators for IED’s used against our troops in Iraq is so common that our convoys are routinely equipped with cell phone jammers that prevent the signal from setting off bombs in the vicinity of our forces.
There are common threads here. Car bombs, propane, nails as jackets, gasoline, cell phones as detonators. Not all threads are present in all cases, but the Venn Diagram of the overlap is highly significant statistically. One other common thread: All of these bombs were made by Muslim terrorists. The bombers in the UK were Muslims, led by a group of doctors who everyone assumed from appearances were loyal Brits. The bombs in Israel were made by Hamas or Hezbollah terrorists. The bombs in India were made by Muslim terrorists supported by the Muslim state of Pakistan. The bombs in Iraq, whether targeted against civilians [actually most of them were] or against our troops, were made by Muslim terrorists. I think there is enough of a common thread here to create a higher index of suspicion.
Consider it looking the other way. There are those who may remember a little concept from the Vietnam War called ARC LIGHT. Short form, load B-52’s with every dumb bomb you can find. Fly them in tight formation to a pre-determined location. Fly so high that you cannot be seen or heard from the ground. Drop all the bombs at once. There is going to be an area on the ground where to anyone there it will seem like G-d himself has smote them without any warning.
Now let us consider if by some strange circumstances a solution to the Somali pirate problem I have proposed was carried out. The pirates base at certain ports on the Somali coast. What if in the middle of the night, ARC LIGHT hit the waterfront of one of the ports? And again at another the next night, and another the night after that? In the remaining ports, how many of the locals would stay in the pirate business, or supporting the pirate business? How many would get out of Dodge and as far away from the ocean as they could?
Now let us assume that in the mud of the harbors they find unexploded bombs. They are US Mk. 82 500 lb. general purpose bombs. Now, what would the international community rationally [and correctly] conclude? That the US had made a deliberate strike, or that one of the many countries who have bought that bomb over the years for use by their air forces [or someone they had sold them to] somehow pulled off the strike and left the duds to deliberately and falsely implicate the US?
Further in the matter of means, some have postulated that Islamic terrorists prefer detailed conspiracies and mass deaths. An examination of any of the extent databases of Muslim terrorist acts in the world show that 9/11 was an aberration. Most attacks worldwide and especially in this country since 9/11 have involved individuals or very small groups and are akin to “Sudden Jihadi Syndrome” without direction from any higher authority. We have way too many examples ranging from the Beltway Snipers, to Major Hassan at Ft. Hood with a lot of stops in between. An Islamic terrorist attack via car bomb in Times Square would be well within the pattern.
Finally, you have to add in the immediate reaction of the government and their kept media. If any incident is Muslim related, there is an immediate denial that it is “terrorism”, or that it had anything to do with Muslims, and then silence. If there is even the slightest way that things can be twisted to accuse the evil, racist, Conservatives; that will be all over the news. It has been awful quiet.
As far as opportunity, that is a wash. The materials and access to the Times Square area are wide open to anyone.
Overall, using the civil court standard of “preponderance of evidence” by a “reasonable man”; the working assumption has to be that it was most likely Muslim terrorism.
But, we use “beyond a reasonable doubt” for criminal cases. With what is available now, we are awful close to that standard, it seems to me.
Leaving aside the “Reichstag Fire” scenario [and likely it would have gone off and the car would have been plastered with TEA Party stickers in that case], you have to look back at the actual level of violence of Conservative groups in our lifetimes. The primary examples date back to the Civil Rights Act era. The perpetrators of that violence were KKK and allied groups. Don’t look now, but they [like George Wallace, Orval Faubus, Ross Barnett, Sheriff "Bull" Conner, and today's Robert Byrd who was a KKK Grand Dragon] were all Democrats.
The modern “Unabomber” was a Leftist who worshipped Al Gore. Eric Robert Rudolf, who bombed the Atlanta Olympics [and was the first of only two who targeted abortion doctors for murder] stated he did so in part to oppose multi-national corporations. The person who flew his plane into the IRS offices was a Leftist. Despite all the media uproar about the “dangerous”, “violent”, and “seditious” Conservatives out there, one would be very hard pressed to find a documentable incident of political physical violence by them in the last couple of years. Incidents of violence by the Left are almost daily occurences.
I am not saying it is impossible for there to be a change in behaviour and tactics by Conservatives. But people operate according to set patterns. In the absence of evidence otherwise, even investigators start with that basic assumption. From the evidence we have and the context of the times; I will assume that we got lucky and a Muslim terrorist attack failed.
Subotai Bahadur
You're saying he wasn't. Since when were Arabs not considered white?
The initial reports posted on FR from somebody’s tweets gathered through TweetDeck said “a Muslim man was seen running from the car.” I don’t know how the observer determined that the runner was a Muslim (unless he was wearing one of those little beanies or perhaps had a typical beard). But it does make a lot more sense that whoever it was would be running if he knew what was in the car and if he thought he had been spotted.
The guy changing his shirt didn’t look like he was in much of a hurry at all, or not any more of a hurry than is normal in New York.
I’m sitting here right now with a plain black long sleeve tee under a short sleeve tee that says “I’m Out Of My Mind. Please Leave A Message”.
It’s my normal mode of attire because my body temperature fluctuates a lot.
[cold one minute; hot the next..it sure beats running upstairs and changing clothes all day long]...:)
The PTB now classify us in bogus categories including Hispanic, Middle Eastern, etc. When they say, “white man” they mean caucasian, European.
No, actually, since most Middle Easterners are technically Caucasians (Semite is a subdivision, Caucasoid people from the East), what they are trying to do is conflate this and confuse people and make them believe that elderly white guys were behind this.
Saddam Hussein was Caucasian; so is Ahmadinejad. Almost all Latin Americans are Caucasians, although some of them have more Indian blood than others and then might be considered Mongoloid (Asian) or even, in the case of those with black ancestors, African.
In any case, regardless of this person’s race or ethnic background, I’m willing to bet on one thing: he’s Muslim.
Well, you got that right!
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