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Free speech versus kids and violent video games
Washington Post ^ | 04/26/2010 | JESSE J. HOLLAND

Posted on 04/26/2010 3:41:04 PM PDT by OldDeckHand

WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court will decide whether free speech rights are more important than helping parents keep violent material away from children.

The justices agreed Monday to consider reinstating California's ban on the sale or rental of violent video games to minors, a law the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco threw out last year on grounds that it violated minors' constitutional rights.

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who signed the law in 2005, said he was pleased the high court would review the appeals court decision. He said, "We have a responsibility to our kids and our communities to protect against the effects of games that depict ultra-violent actions, just as we already do with movies."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; games; ittakesavillage; moralabsolutes; speech; video
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Given the two newer justices on the court - Roberts & Alito - I'm not sure it's entirely predictable where the court will come down on this. I don't think the recent decision on animal cruelty videos is predictive for this particular case. Generally speaking, I think it's up to the states to determine what can and cannot be sold to minor children. We will see if the Court agrees.
1 posted on 04/26/2010 3:41:05 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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Actually I think the parents not the states should decide what is best for the kids, but that is just me..


2 posted on 04/26/2010 3:42:48 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Jesus Saves... Allah Kills...)
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To: OldDeckHand

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L29MXPm4UFE


3 posted on 04/26/2010 3:43:52 PM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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I see it's time to post the graphic showing the real relationship between violent video games and violent crime again:


4 posted on 04/26/2010 3:44:58 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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So if things with killing, maiming, dismembering and sexually assaulting of human beings can’t be sold to kids does that mean no To Kill a Mocking Bird?

That’s always the problem with these kind of laws. What makes video games so magical?


5 posted on 04/26/2010 3:46:25 PM PDT by discostu (wanted: brick, must be thick and well kept)
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To: The_Reader_David

Well, that’s fascinating.
Doesn’t mean its related (post hoc fallacy), but still interesting.

Of course it makes a certain amount of sense from the government side - the government is ALWAYS looking to allocate power to itself at the expense of others.


6 posted on 04/26/2010 3:49:35 PM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: KevinDavis
Actually I think the parents not the states should decide what is best for the kids, but that is just me..

Then under California's law you're free to buy violent games and give them to your kids. What California is trying to stop is kids buying them on their own, the same way that kids can't buy alcohol, cigarettes or porn.

7 posted on 04/26/2010 3:51:38 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: discostu
Video games require the player's participation. There is an argument that they “desensitize” players to killing. The player puts the cursor on the image's head and clicks the mouse and is “rewarded” with gibbets flying.
8 posted on 04/26/2010 3:52:39 PM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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"I see it's time to post the graphic showing the real relationship between violent video games and violent crime again:"

Leaving the subject of connectivity between violent crimes & video games alone, I think it's fantastical to believe crime statistics published by the government. It's analogous to Cuba's 100% claimed literacy rate, and the Iraqi claims of "100% voted for Sadam", during his regime.

Retired Officers Raise Questions on Crime Data

In the 80's, the federal government began measuring crime metrics reported by states and municipalities, and would tie improvement to added federal investment. Almost magically, crime statistics began to improve. How about that?

9 posted on 04/26/2010 3:52:58 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: discostu
"So if things with killing, maiming, dismembering and sexually assaulting of human beings can’t be sold to kids does that mean no To Kill a Mocking Bird?"

Well, if To Kill a Mocking Bird was turned into a video game, I suppose so. But, since it's a book, it should be perfectly safe and readily available in school libraries all over California.

10 posted on 04/26/2010 3:56:12 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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Actually, there is a proposed causal mechanism: violent video games provide an outlet for youthful agression, which otherwise finds its outlet in antisocial behavior, including crime. There are finer statistics focusing on crimes by young people that find drops in the wake of each release of a very popular first-person shooter or two-player fighting game (e.g. the Mortal Kombat series).


11 posted on 04/26/2010 3:56:25 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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And books require reader visualization. And TV and movies put people into a beta wave state similar to dreams and hypnosis. And meanwhile nobody has managed show that any of these things actually make people do anything. I was just reading a book about Psycho and he loon that killed two people after watching the movie, and many accused the movie of “making” him do it. But the only way they could make those accusations fly is to ignore that at least 1 other person he killed before the movie came out and the dozen rapes he claimed to have committed, again before the movie came out.

There’s always the crowd that wants to blame the movie, or the game, or the book. But it’s PEOPLE that commit crimes.


12 posted on 04/26/2010 3:57:44 PM PDT by discostu (wanted: brick, must be thick and well kept)
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To: OldDeckHand

You ignored the next sentence: what makes video games so magical?


13 posted on 04/26/2010 3:59:02 PM PDT by discostu (wanted: brick, must be thick and well kept)
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To: discostu

Reminds me in the 80s with the AD&D crowd. The social cons went straight Taliban on the that crowd.


14 posted on 04/26/2010 4:02:53 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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"You ignored the next sentence: what makes video games so magical?"

I don't know. I'm not a child psychologist. But, I am a conservative Republican who believes that matters like this should be left to the states to decide absent the heavy hand of the imperial federal government.

The parents in California elected the state legislators. They crafted a bill that was signed by the governor, who too was elected by parents. That's good enough for me.

15 posted on 04/26/2010 4:03:42 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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I’m sure there are plenty of issues to worry about then kids buying video games..


16 posted on 04/26/2010 4:03:51 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Jesus Saves... Allah Kills...)
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To: OldDeckHand

We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.


17 posted on 04/26/2010 4:06:24 PM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: randomhero97

Yep, and the evils of heavy metal, and more recently Harry Potter, and let’s not forget good old Fredrick Wortham and Seduction of the Innocent. There’s always something people are blaming for “twisting our kids minds”, it never seems to occur to them that maybe parents more interested in crusading than teaching might be messing up our kids.


18 posted on 04/26/2010 4:07:16 PM PDT by discostu (wanted: brick, must be thick and well kept)
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To: The_Reader_David

I don’t know what to believe, I only know about the other guy ‘cause he gave me a free book.
I have played “violent” games all my life - GI Joe, dirt clods, BB Gun, wargames, RPGs, first person shooters, etc.
I served in the military, and have a bit of range time and I love to shoot (doesn’t mean I’m good shot, unfortunately!).
Despite that, I have never been trouble or been inclined to make any. If I go my whole life without any more trouble than I’ve seen, I will die a happy man.
Unfortunately, I’m not sure this regime is gonna allow that.


19 posted on 04/26/2010 4:08:30 PM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: OldDeckHand

These guys obviously have not played Just Cause 2. In it, you get to blow up all sorts of oppressive government property, run missions against the government, and decimate their military. It’s great fun, and I’m thinking there may be something for the children of the future to learn within...


20 posted on 04/26/2010 4:09:03 PM PDT by chris37
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