Posted on 04/13/2010 10:37:24 AM PDT by jazminerose
That would be under FAA rules, I presume? Do they apply in Russian airspace?
Did the old Russian Tu 154 bucket have the capacity to fly on instruments only?
Of course, I'm still alive and kicking. One might have something to do with the other.
Putin himself will deliver the black boxes.
He PROMISES they are the original, untampered black boxes.
Are you implying that the story, which was widely reported in Poland in 2008 was a fabrication? Or was the groundwork being laid for this crash two years ago? Are all of the Polish newspapers reporting the story in on it?
I thought the field had no ILS and he was making a GCA approach?
The story I’ve read is that the Polish government just doesn’t have the funds for more and better planes.
After all, Kaczynski was just a courageous anti-communist—it’s not like he was Nancy Pelosi or something . . .
Get-there-itis is what killed Paul Wellstone, if you remember.
Agreed, Never trust the Russians.
And no version of this I have read passes the smell test.
I don’t believe this for a second.
The Russians had them killed, probably by manipulating the ATCRBS or whatever approach radar they use to trick the pilot into thinking he was over the runway.
You could probably trick both the pilot and the tower in bad enough weather.
Think of little red riding hood and the big bad wolf, he's not gonna let a juicy picnic basket like this fly by.
That is why when they cite "on time" arrival rates for airlines, I take it with a grain of salt. Being late, or missing a connection, is not the worst thing that could happen to you.
The approach is a NDB. May or may not also have DME decision point.
The approach is a NDB. May or may not also have DME decision point.
No way Putin’s hands are clean in this. His record is long and bloody.
You’ve never heard of “Get home-itis”?
I understand what you are saying but please don’t paint all us pilots as cowboys.
I fly safe. Weather or ANYTHING not just right and safe and its a NO GO.
Really?
All reports so far have been hampered by mangled language...Russian/Polish/English/Aviation. For anyone not versed in aviation proceedures to speculate on cause of crash is pure conjecture.
I am very experienced in this stuff, and what I've seen so far points to CFIT (pilot error).
But the CVR will tell the tale. There will be a doozy of a fight over releasing it though.
If it totally clears Russians, they will be very anxious to release it....but if it implicates Polish officials in goading pilot to continue dangerous approach, Poland will surely want it kept quiet.
You can be sure it has been listened to already, and the implications are being fought over fiercely.
I would not be surprised to hear "the tape is damaged" and the "investigation" lay all blame on pilot. This would clear Russia, and Poland ends up with just one dead low-level goat. Happens all the time.
I would guess the TU-154 had the capacity to "fly" on instruments only. This generally only requires the pilot to maintain an accuracy of a mile or two laterally and 100 feet, or so, vertically.
"Landing" on instruments is another matter entirely; unless the aircraft breaks out of clouds 500 or 1000 feet above the ground, which does not appear to be the case here, lateral accuracy has to be within "tens of feet" and vertical accuracy has to be within "single digits of feet", which requires a lot of very expensive equipment, both in the aircraft and on the ground.
Darned near killed me, once upon a time.
That was the day I learned what “...reporting thunderstorms in all four quadrants” meant.
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