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(Muslim) Students want ‘Our Lord' phrase off Trinity diplomas
San Antonio Express-News ^ | 03/29/2010 | By Melissa Ludwig - Express-News

Posted on 03/29/2010 7:52:09 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd

A group of students at Trinity University is lobbying trustees to drop a reference to “Our Lord” on their diplomas, arguing it does not respect the diversity of religions on campus.

“A diploma is a very personal item, and people want to proudly display it in their offices and homes,” said Sidra Qureshi, president of Trinity Diversity Connection. “By having the phrase ‘In the Year of Our Lord,' it is directly referencing Jesus Christ, and not everyone believes in Jesus Christ.”

Qureshi, who is Muslim, has led the charge to tweak the wording, winning support from student government and a campus commencement committee. Trustees are expected to consider the students' request at a May board meeting.

Other students and President Dennis Ahlburg have defended the wording, arguing that references to the school's Presbyterian roots are appropriate and unobtrusive.

Founded by Presbyterians in 1869, Trinity has been governed by an independent board of trustees since 1969 but maintains a “covenant relationship” with the church.

“Any cultural reference, even if it is religious, our first instinct should not be to remove it, but to accept it and tolerate it,” said Brendan McNamara, president of the College Republicans.

McNamara pointed out that Trinity displays other signs of its Christian heritage, including a chapel on campus, a chaplain, Christmas vespers and a Bible etching on the Trinity seal.

“Once you remove that phrase, where do you draw the line?” McNamara asked.

The debate started last year when Isaac Medina, a Muslim convert from Guadalajara, Mexico, noticed the wording while looking at pre-made diploma frames in the Trinity bookstore. When Medina applied to Trinity, university staff told him it wasn't a religious institution and that it maintained only a historical bond to the Presbyterian Church.

So the godly reference “came as a big surprise,” said Medina, who graduated in December. “I felt I was a victim of a bait and switch.”

At first, Qureshi and Medina sought a change only for students who desired it. But university staff told them the school would not print custom diplomas, so they requested dropping the words “Our Lord” from all diplomas issued.

In January, the student government and the Muslim Student Association co-sponsored a forum to debate the issue. And in February, the Association of Student Representatives and the university's commencement and convocation committee both voted to support the change, Qureshi said.

“I honestly feel like nobody actually noticed it before,” Medina said. “Now that it has been brought up, the institution is trying to find its own identity. Are we or are we not a religious institution?”

Though Trinity has historically enrolled mostly Anglo Christians, the university has taken pains to increase diversity in recent years. Since 1999, the share of international students has increased from 1 percent to 9 percent.

Medina, a former international student, said he always has felt welcome at Trinity. The chaplain on campus caters to students of all religions, and the university recently dedicated a Muslim prayer space in Parker Chapel.

“I never had the experience that Trinity was a closeted Christian institution,” Medina said.

Ahlburg, who took the helm in January, said Trinity should continue to foster a diverse environment but should not ignore its cultural and religious roots.

“The fundamental issue is not so much what is on the diploma. The fundamental question is, ‘Is Trinity a place that is accepting and supportive of all faiths?'” Ahlburg said.

Current students are not Trinity's only stakeholders, Ahlburg said. The university also has thousands of alumni and donors to appease, many of whom have called Ahlburg to tell him they oppose the change.

“Democracy is not letting a small number of people have their way,” Ahlburg said. “Democracy is listening to the different voices and making an informed decision.”


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Hoo boy!
1 posted on 03/29/2010 7:52:10 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

Life among the kufir just isn’t what the Islamic missionaries signed up for, is it?


2 posted on 03/29/2010 7:53:14 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (VP Biden on Obamacare's passage: "This is a big f-ing deal". grumpygresh: "Repeal the f-ing deal")
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To: Responsibility2nd

They ought to removed the name “Trinity” University too, then.


3 posted on 03/29/2010 7:53:25 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." --Orwell)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Why don’t the camel jockeys stay in the middle east?


4 posted on 03/29/2010 7:53:34 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

They have no problem with the school name - Trinity?

I suppose that’s the next demand, change it to Allah Akbar College.


5 posted on 03/29/2010 7:53:34 AM PDT by DManA
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A group of students at Trinity University is lobbying trustees to drop a reference to “Our Lord” on their diplomas

The why are they attending TRINITY University?

6 posted on 03/29/2010 7:53:53 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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If it offends this mohammedan slimebag so much I believe Trinity should revoke his Diploma.

Problem solved.

7 posted on 03/29/2010 7:54:19 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

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I don’t get it.

Why did they go there in the first place?


8 posted on 03/29/2010 7:54:22 AM PDT by Touch Not the Cat (Where is the light? Wonder if it's weeping somewhere...)
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To: Responsibility2nd
A group of students at Trinity University is lobbying trustees to drop a reference to “Our Lord” on their diplomas, arguing it does not respect the diversity of religions on campus. “A diploma is a very personal item, and people want to proudly display it in their offices and homes,” said Sidra Qureshi, president of Trinity Diversity Connection. “By having the phrase ‘In the Year of Our Lord,' it is directly referencing Jesus Christ, and not everyone believes in Jesus Christ.”

So what year do they put on their classwork then? What do they write on their checks?

9 posted on 03/29/2010 7:54:24 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (VP Biden on Obamacare's passage: "This is a big f-ing deal". grumpygresh: "Repeal the f-ing deal")
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Isaac Medina, a Muslim convert from Guadalajara...

This phenomenon is good cause for worry.

10 posted on 03/29/2010 7:54:29 AM PDT by James C. Bennett
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Shhhh.... nobody tell these Islamic troublemakers what “Trinity” means!


11 posted on 03/29/2010 7:54:31 AM PDT by nhoward14 (A mind is a terrible thing to waste. That is why Obama gave his away.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

That’s my Alma Mater- I pray they don’t bend over.


12 posted on 03/29/2010 7:55:13 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Responsibility2nd

The Mohammedans are getting more uppity by the day, encouraged by their comrade currently infesting the WH, no doubt.


13 posted on 03/29/2010 7:55:28 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican

I was about to point that out as well.


14 posted on 03/29/2010 7:55:31 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (VP Biden on Obamacare's passage: "This is a big f-ing deal". grumpygresh: "Repeal the f-ing deal")
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To: Responsibility2nd

How about not attending a Christian University, Achmed?


15 posted on 03/29/2010 7:55:38 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Stage 1:
Start immigrating - move into a country quietly

Stage 2:
Begin starting churches: “learning centers”
community helps: food etc.

Stage 3:
Political activism: demanding rights, denounce
derogatory comments/press etc.

Stage 4:
Get elected, pass laws favoring rights etc. move toward
political majority

Stage 5:
Political control, Sharia Law


16 posted on 03/29/2010 7:55:48 AM PDT by svcw (Religion is like giving someone who is dying of thirst mouthwash.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

So “Trinity” has no religious connotation to these people? Isn’t that the proverbial swallowing a camel and straining at a gnat?


17 posted on 03/29/2010 7:55:50 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I hope the school has the intelligence to say NO.


18 posted on 03/29/2010 7:57:37 AM PDT by Dustbunny ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. " Ronald Reagan)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Give him a jar of White Out! There solved


19 posted on 03/29/2010 7:58:21 AM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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If I was the Dean, I would tell them to bring their diplomas to my office, I would pick up a black Sharpie, and mark out "Our Lord", and hand it back to them, saying "There ya go.

Or just say, "That's our standard diploma, take it or leave it...or just LEAVE.
20 posted on 03/29/2010 7:58:24 AM PDT by FrankR (Those of us who love AMERICA far outnumber those who love obama - your choice.)
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